Herbal "Castration"

[Malecheii (imported)]

On the Yahoo Groups/Chemical Castration Board, there was a discussion or two on the benefits of combining Saw Palmetto (a natural anti-androgen) with Vitex or Black Cahoosh (mimic female hormones). A few guys swore by the results!

I also recall a discussion on this Board about how it is a waste of time/money. To add to this dichotomy, my mother told me that my father was taking Saw Pal for prostate issues but she made him stop because- "he became too calm"... hmmmm.

Thus, in the interest of science, I began a regimen of ~500 mg of Saw Palmetto, 300 mg Vitex and 500 mg Black Cahoosh (combined as an Menopause treatment for women). I will keep you updated, if you wish, and welcome any renewed discussion of this matter.

If it works to some degree and I like the effect, I may try Androcur again, assuming my boyfriend supports it. Hey, I'm a total bottom!

Malecheii

[numnuts (imported)]

Malecheii, as a 'bottom', I think it's important that you find some way to disengage your libido and sexual arrousal in order to better satisfy your partner. A bottom should always be passive, submissive, and above all complient. The top is in charge. The top is the one that needs to get off, and his enjoyment and sexual satisfaction should come first.

It's a well known fact that bottoms can either be overwhelmed by anal penetration, or under satisfied. The best bottom will remain neutral and not exhibit any physical reactions at all. A bottom should only exhibit emotional reactions.

And let's be honest, when you're a bottom, what matters the most is that your partner enjoy the experience the most. And in order for that to happen, you have to give in completely and let them have their way with you, have their fun the way they feel like having it, and do whatever gets them off most.

And the only way that can really happen, is to not have any input or say so in what's going on, and what they're doing. And the best way for that to happen is to be as sexually removed from the situation as possible. That way you can pay attention to the emotions of the experience instead. And that's what a good bottom should do.

It should be an emotional experience for a bottom, not a sexual one.

So whatever can help you disconnect the sexual part of being penetrated by your boyfriend, will help you become a better bottom, and thus better satisfy 'Him' sexually. Remember, the top is always the driver and in control, and the bottom is willing, submissive, and complient.

Let him be in charge, and do whatever gets him off. Don't think about how it feels pysically, but rather enjoy how it feels emotionally. And again, the best way for you to do that is to remove the sexuality from it. So whatever you can find that can do that, will only make you a better bottom. You need to be passive. You need to be truly submissive. And you need to be willing and complient.

Good luck, and let us know how it goes for you.

[Alfred (imported)]

I personally 100% agree with what Erika wrote in http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=8343

Herbal supplements are just that – supplements, not the analogues of RX drugs. If that stuff was working then people would use it.

From what I read on the issue, the evidence is inconclusive at best. The results for studies on Saw Palmetto efficacy for various prostate issues/problems vary from absolutely useless to modestly effective. And from what I know it’s mostly compared to finasteride, i.e. a T to DHT blocker. Which probably suggests one should expect results similar to finasteride i.e. a drop in serum DHT levels/increase in T levels. Which in turn suggests that it’s pretty much useless as a general anti-androgen.

I think, if you want to encourage a discussion you should first provide us with some facts/data. Just to fuel the discussion

PS. Did I miss something or what? I thought this topic was about chemical castration with herbs. Not about how bottoms should act/behave

[numnuts (imported)]

PS. Did I miss something or what? I thought this topic was about chemical castration with herbs. Not about how bottoms should act/behave

Well if the herbs aren't going to do anything for him, as a bottom, he at least needs to know how to act and behave then.

[Christina (imported)]

On the Yahoo Groups/Chemical Castration Board, there was a discussion or two on the benefits of combining Saw Palmetto (a natural anti-androgen) with Vitex or Black Cahoosh (mimic female hormones). A few guys swore by the results!

I also recall a discussion on this Board about how it is a waste of time/money. To add to this dichotomy, my mother told me that my father was taking Saw Pal for prostate issues but she made him stop because- "he became too calm"... hmmmm.

Thus, in the interest of science, I began a regimen of ~500 mg of Saw Palmetto, 300 mg Vitex and 500 mg Black Cahoosh (combined as an Menopause treatment for women). I will keep you updated, if you wish, and welcome any renewed discussion of this matter.

If it works to some degree and I like the effect, I may try Androcur again, assuming my boyfriend supports it. Hey, I'm a total bottom!

Malecheii

You best bet for effective chemical castration would be prescription medication. They are pretty much certain to work. Herbal remedies are rather hit and miss. For some they will work and others they don't.

Which ever ones you use, be aware that there can be adverse reactions. It's a good idea to have yourself checked out by a doctor beforehand even if you may not have any problems now. Anything you injest can put a strain on your body, and sometimes you might not know it until it's too late.

[Malecheii (imported)]

Thank you for the thought-provoking discussion. I agree that prescription meds are the 100% way to go and that herbals have a hit-or-miss reputation- hence, my "study" now underway. There is no greater fact (to me) than personal experience, especially given all the conflicting research to-date.

I also found the advice on how to act to be inspiring and helpful. I put it into practice earlier this night and my partner had a very satisfying experience, while phyically, I remained as "detached" as possible. I made sure not to touch myself or think about my needs at all and simply helped him get into the experience. Despite my lack of arousal, I had a great time- this is the goal, afterall.

I also believe that this advice was meant to encourage me (us) to better understand that being a eunuch may be very helpful to a sexually submissive relationship, and thus, not to worry about my boyfriend's reaction to my pending chemical castration- either with herbs or perhaps soon with Androcur.

Malecheii

[bobbie (imported)]

I was taking herbals for several years before taking androcur. They had very little effect on me other then costing me a lot of money. Some OTC drugs can have a effect on the amount of cum you make. They can also effect the degree of hardness you get. One OTC drug would reduce my cum by about half and make it very thick. Was also harder to reach an orgasm. The real thing is so much better. That is at least for me. Every one will react to castration very differently. You will have to accept the good effects with the bad effects. No picking and choosing. Sorry

[Malecheii (imported)]

Thank you Bobbie. I wanted to start with some herbals just to see if I would follow-through, it's a lot less expensive to start at CVS with a few supplements costing $20 than going on-line and ordering 100 pills of Androcur that cost $120. I found that I have been more than eager to take "my medicine" and return to my journey.

This newfound realization and the postings here prompted me to order a few months supply of Androcur which should be here in a few weeks. In the meantime, I will continue my herbal supplements to maintain the proper state of mind- I don't want to chicken-out after a few pills like the last time.

Any encouragement, support is appreciated. I'd like to be a better member of the community.

Malecheii

[polecat (imported)]

Malecheii, as a 'bottom', I think it's important that you find some way to disengage your libido and sexual arrousal in order to better satisfy your partner. A bottom should always be passive, submissive, and above all complient. The top is in charge. The top is the one that needs to get off, and his enjoyment and sexual satisfaction should come first.

Wow, somebody thinks in black and white I see. You forget that a bottom should be needy, lusty even, putty in the hands of their master. Feelings and libido can bind just as much as leather and chains, and I think the worst thing you could do in dominant/submissive play is for the sub to seem bored or disinterested. Castration changes sex no matter what way you cut it, and all those involved in the sex have to be ready for and accepting of those changes.

It's a well known fact that bottoms can either be overwhelmed by anal penetration, or under satisfied. The best bottom will remain neutral and not exhibit any physical reactions at all. A bottom should only exhibit emotional reactions.

Well, you are entitled to your opinion.

[HairyHarry (imported)]

And I thought that sex between two people (non-gender specific) should be mutually physically pleasurable! As in "Patrick Fitzherbert and Herbert Fitzpatrick." I have tried anal, I got nothing from it, now I know why.