Why DO we have these thoughts about castration?

I know Enk has already asked something similar (http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=7935). But I think this is worth exploring for everyone.

It isn't normal to have thoughts like this. And I don't mean that in a negative way. But the vast majority of males cringe at the idea.

>>What makes us so different?<<

Firstly, it's probably worth saying "it's not our fault", anymore than a gay person chooses to be that way, or a transsexual deliberately asks to be born into the wrong body. I don't believe these desires are chosen. But inborn; There have been points in my life when I've wished to be 'normal'. Tried not to have those "intrusive thoughts" when I'm at work, out shopping or just sitting at home. What causes these thoughts?

Inability to accept being male, a problem with gender idetification?

A form of self-mutilation through body modification?

A form of self-punishment to alleviate social guilt cause by desires that are "taboo"?

A means of escaping a troubled past - of becoming someone new?

I would love to hear other peoples' thoughts.

Well, to be honest, I think the internet has opened people's eyes FAR more than ever before. People are more aware of the effects of testosterone, and it is EASY to see how a male could grow a certain distaste for the effects it produces. Finding a "cure" to this problem is no further away than the click of a mouse. Hell, that's why most of us are HERE in the first place.

Not to say that there weren't people who wanted to be eunuchs in the past. We know this to be false. But the internet has brought a kind of "great awakening" to most of society.

I am also of the mindset that: When sexually stimulated, the mind is an open door.

Now, say a guy was into women in leather. An internet search could come up with domination. The concept might turn a guy on, and he will whack off to it. He will become fascinated, and dig deeper. Things that once disgusted him, become more appealing. Eventually he delves into light Cock and Ball torture. Then heavy... then he runs across castration. Jerks off to the idea. He orgasms, and because of the erotic nature of the fantasy, seeks it out again. Eventually, he trickles down, and ends up here. Thats how you see SOOOOO many people who seek to be castrated by a mistress.

This is not unreasonable. When I was a proffessional dominatrix, I always asked my "clients" why they are interested in domination. 99% of them point to the internet, and the slow evolution of BDSM sexuality, that brought them to the door of my dungeon for a real world taste of domination.

Again, that is to be separated from a TRUE eunuch like yourself, who simply realized you were unhappy with your body, and made the necessary correction. No different than me changing my sex. (well a little different). I don't believe a person was born with the desire to be a eunuch persay, but a person can be educated to realize that the unhappiness they feel are a result of genitalia that simply poison their body. No, it is not the average, but no more or less wierd than getting a tattoo.

You saw a problem, and you rectified it. I did the same, and I have never been happier or more adjusted to life in the society we live in. I hope the best for you as well!!! ~hug~

thefraj (imported) wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:51 am Why DO we have these thoughts about castration?

I know Enk has already asked something similar (http://www.eunuch.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=7935). But I think this is worth exploring for everyone.

It isn't normal to have thoughts like this. And I don't mean that in a negative way. But the vast majority of males cringe at the idea.

Actually, if you look at the number of dominatrixes working in any given city, and that these women are booked full time, and that they almost all give cock-and-ball torture services, and that many say they will not do castrations, I think that men mixing up sexual pleasure and genital pain is actually pretty common.

Maybe it is not fully normal, but definitely common enough not be be abnormal either.

Castration is pretty extreme, but look at the total number of members on any of the internet forums for guys seeking castration. Literally thousands.

I think it is very common, and the Internet is letting us realize that.

For some it's certainly a sexual fantasy, there's no doubt about that. I think a lot of times in these cases things do get their start online. I'm sure there are a lot of people who never had any interest in castration till they came here to the Archive.

But aside from fantasy, there are others who have a real desire to lose their balls for a wide variety of reasons. Some dislike their libido, others don't want to be boys, and there are others still who just don't want to go bald or get prostate cancer. All of these could be considered perfectly valid reasons for wanting castration, though some might disagree on their level of validity.

What interests me most is the ones who have known from a young age that they wanted to be ball-free (like river ) It's very similar to transsexuality, only they don't take it quite as far. What is this third gender called eunuch and are there people who are born into it? Given the fact that many know from a young age they want to be eunuchs just like transsexuals know they want to be the opposite sex, I think it's likely there are some people

transgirl23ny (imported) wrote: Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:28 am born with the desire to be a eunuch.

Are all these reasons equal? Many times here on the archive there are some reasons, particularly fantasy, that are criticized as reasons for seeking castration. What if those who fantasize are eunuchs too, just in a different way?

plix (imported) wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:56 am For some it's certainly a sexual fantasy, there's no doubt about that. I think a lot of times in these cases things do get their start online. I'm sure there are a lot of people who never had any interest in castration till they came here to the Archive.

But aside from fantasy, there are others who have a real desire to lose their balls for a wide variety of reasons. Some dislike their libido, others don't want to be boys, and there are others still who just don't want to go bald or get prostate cancer. All of these could be considered perfectly valid reasons for wanting castration, though some might disagree on their level of validity.

What interests me most is the ones who have known from a young age that they wanted to be ball-free (like river ) It's very similar to transsexuality, only they don't take it quite as far. What is this third gender called eunuch and are there people who are born into it? Given the fact that many know from a young age they want to be eunuchs just like transsexuals know they want to be the opposite sex, I think it's likely there are some people

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Are all these reasons equal? Many times here on the archive there are some reasons, particularly fantasy, that are criticized as reasons for seeking castration. What if
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those who fantasize are eunuchs too, just in a different way?

Well sweetie, I think that transsexualism is not alone in the fact that some individuals are not entirely comfortable with the body they were given. The existance of a 3rd gender is not a new phenomena... its a fact of life. There are intersexed individuals, gender varient, male, female, sissies, tomboys, and eunuch is no exception to all of it.

Sadly our Christian based (yes I said it, it's a historical fact, and I wont lie about it) ... our Christian based society is sadly in only 2 checkboxes (M) or (F). There is little positive reinforcment to the existance of 3rd genders, and I'm afraid our society is a long way away from changing that. It's a shame...

It's funny, after posting the starting thread my mind wandered in that direction too. Both transgendered folk and the the eunuch group often find themselves self harming. What's really interesting is that the former group is aware at a much earlier age, and with the eunuch-wannabe group it developes later, often around teens, and tends to be eroticised and directed towards the testicles, as opposed to the penis.

I wonder - is it possible to be a eunuch born into a mans body? As a eunuch, the existance of a penis would not be too distressing, but what does become upsetting is when the full male characteristics begin in puberty. Which would explain why the self harm occurs during arousal, and maybe intertwined with sexual activity? I know for myself and a few here this is often cited as a reason for castration. Lowered sex-drive, etc.

Is it possible to not identify with being fully male, but not wish to change genders? Or at least - not all the way?

I'm starting to wonder if there really, really is another gender - neither male nor female. But something different.

Could it be that societies view, and current trends in thought are helping make this desire more difficult to understand?

Thanks SplitDik, Plix And Jessica!:) Oh - love the new avatar btw Jessica! ♥

~Rog.

thefraj (imported) wrote: Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:25 am It's funny, after posting the starting thread my mind wandered in that direction too. Both transgendered folk and the the eunuch group often find themselves self harming. What's really interesting is that the former group is aware at a much earlier age, and with the eunuch-wannabe group it developes later, often around teens, and tends to be eroticised and directed towards the testicles, as opposed to the penis.

I wonder - is it possible to be a eunuch born into a mans body? As a eunuch, the existance of a penis would not be too distressing, but what does become upsetting is when the full male characteristics begin in puberty. Which would explain why the self harm occurs during arousal, and maybe intertwined with sexual activity? I know for myself and a few here this is often cited as a reason for castration. Lowered sex-drive, etc.

Is it possible to not identify with being fully male, but not wish to change genders? Or at least - not all the way?

I'm starting to wonder if there really, really is another gender - neither male nor female. But something different.

Could it be that societies view, and current trends in thought are helping make this desire more difficult to understand?

Thanks SplitDik, Plix And Jessica!:) Oh - love the new avatar btw Jessica! ♥

*blush* Thanks Rog!

I fully believe there is a 3rd gender. Many ancient cultures recognized other genders aside from male and female. Some people are happy being MULTIPLE genders, there is a spectrum here.

When it comes down to it... I believe in types of Eunuchs. Real ones, and ones who only want to do it for sexual reasons. The latter has higher chances of regretting it later.

There certainly is no standads here... everyone is their own person. I don't think we should encourage creating gender boxes, but encourage individualism. Whether its for gender or something else... people should do what they need in order to be happy. "And if it harm none, do what thou wilt"

I may be qualified to speak to "the eunuch born into a male body". I was just that person and my genitals became a painfull reminder that I was not "right". Now as a eunuch I am more at peace with my SELF and I no longer hate who I am or more to the point WHAT I am. I am a eunuch I always have been a eunuch inside. I think that pretty much covers the 30,000 foot synopsis of me.

Sorry about that [edited] it was a little excessive.

The thing with pictures is that they're just too much of a load on the EA server and the bandwidth.

HOWEVER, the way Fraj did his picture was to "hotlink" it to a file NOT stored on the EA server by using the IMG command that is built into VBulletin.

What this does is simply load code that says "Hey, look over there on the www and get that picture." All the EA server has to do is serve out a few bits of code. It's the server on the www that does all the work, but YOU still have to wait for the picture to come up.

The problem with hotlinking is that most servers track this, and they get irate that you're pulling images off of their site without actually looking at it.

It's different if it's YOUR box, though.

Personally, I don't have a problem with regular, respected users posting a small image file this way now and then. Just let us know first, please. And by the way, I liked that picture!