Hi Carl,

Nice story. But a couple of questions for you. Why different guys and girls punished that very ways? What it depends on? Your main character, Carl, is castrated and penictomized. But his younger brother is half-castrated and half-penictomized. His sister Ann and her friend Carol are clitorectomised, labia removed and infibulated. But Carol's younger sister, Brittany, is allowed to keep her pussy lips and only clitorectomised. How does it depends on what each of them did?

Interisting!

They are in USA!

What is meant by 1/2 castrated etc etc?

Must be due to some resaon!

How old are the guys?

What are the details then mabie we can understand a little more!

Thanks!

I really liked this story's positing of an alternative universe in which castration (or in this case nullification) is completely normal and routine. It is this kind of "castration/penectomy is no big deal" fantasy world that I have tried to capture in my own stories (anyone interested can search the author index under "strassenbahn").

strassenbahn (imported) wrote: Fri Apr 29, 2005 6:45 pm I really liked this story's positing of an alternative universe in which castration (or in this case nullification) is completely normal and routine. It is this kind of "castration/penectomy is no big deal" fantasy world that I have tried to capture in my own stories (anyone interested can search the author index under "strassenbahn").

I just got around to reading this. I liked it too but I have some problems with the story.

It was mentioned that the 13 year old was unable to get erections because he was prepubescent. prepubescent boys can and do get erections. Also 13 is a little old to be prepubescent unless this society uses calorie restricted diets and/or medications to delay puberty.

If castration, penectomies and nullifications are common in this society, when Carl is thinking about what could happen to him maybe he should think: "Will I be castrated like Mike, Steven and Henry or will I be penectomized like Peter and George or will I be nullified like Fred?"

When it is mentioned that the younger boy is left with a half inch stub maybe Carl should say how long his penis was before it was stubbed.

When Carl gets to the nurse's office, there are other kids who have been cut and are having their stitches taken out. It seem unlikely that they would all have been cut around the same time. If they had been cut much earlier then their stitches would have been removed before then. If they had been cut much later then it would be too early to remove their stitches. Maybe all the kids who had been cut over the summer should have their work inspected. Maybe Carl should mention what the other kids had lost.

Are these kids the first ones who have had to be naked at school? If so, why? When Carl gets dressed before PE maybe he should mention what other boys had been cut and what they had lost.

curious_guy (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 02, 2005 11:32 am I just got around to reading this. I liked it too but I have some problems with the story.

It was mentioned that the 13 year old was unable to get erections because he was prepubescent. prepubescent boys can and do get erections. Also 13 is a little old to be prepubescent unless this society uses calorie restricted diets and/or medications to delay puberty.

The above statement is only partitially corrert. _Most_ boys can achieve erections before the start of puberty, some as young as 6. _Some_ though do not achieve erections until the very early stages of puberty. Puberty starts out very slowly as the testosterone level starts to build up in the body. Gaining the capability of having erections at 11 or above can indicate the start of puberty. I have had friends that never had erections prior to just before the external signs of puberty first appeared.

As to the exact age of onset of puberty, it is highly variable, as any boy in the gym showers in junior high school or high school can testifiy. The current _average_ age for the onset of puberty in the US is age 12, but can occur as early as 10 or as late as 16. A major factor in the age of onset is genetics. I hit puberty at 12, but I know guys that didn't hit it until they were at least 15 (diet was _NOT_ a factor in either case). One finally hit puberty just before he turned 16, and within 6 months, he was pretty much as mature as most of his classmates.

Another one is a castrato (treble/soprano) who was still having dry orgasms when he turned 15. He was castrated shortly after turning 15 to preserve his voice. When his testes were extracted, it was quite evident that they were still completely immature. (He had what he considered to be the genitals of a ten year-old when he was neutered.) He can no longer achieve erections. I know several eunuchs that were gelded before puberty (ages 11 thru 13) and every one lost the capability to achieve erection within roughly a month or so. An apparently unavoidable side effect of pre-pubital castration.

When I was in school, I was about the youngest student for my grade theroughout. First time in the showers after gym (in the 7th grade) I saw that I was already far more advanced into puberty than many of my much older classmates. Many of them started to mature only in the ninth and tenth grades.

YC

YankeeClipper (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:38 pm The above statement is only partitially corrert. _Most_ boys can achieve erections before the start of puberty, some as young as 6. _Some_ though do not achieve erections until the very early stages of puberty. Puberty starts out very slowly as the testosterone level starts to build up in the body. Gaining the capability of having erections at 11 or above can indicate the start of puberty. I have had friends that never had erections prior to just before the external signs of puberty first appeared.

As to the exact age of onset of puberty, it is highly variable, as any boy in the gym showers in junior high school or high school can testifiy. The current _average_ age for the onset of puberty in the US is age 12, but can occur as early as 10 or as late as 16. A major factor in the age of onset is genetics. I hit puberty at 12, but I know guys that didn't hit it until they were at least 15 (diet was _NOT_ a factor in either case). One finally hit puberty just before he turned 16, and within 6 months, he was pretty much as mature as most of his classmates.

Another one is a castrato (treble/soprano) who was still having dry orgasms when he turned 15. He was castrated shortly after turning 15 to preserve his voice. When his testes were extracted, it was quite evident that they were still completely immature. (He had what he considered to be the genitals of a ten year-old when he was neutered.) He can no longer achieve erections. I know several eunuchs that were gelded before puberty (ages 11 thru 13) and every one lost the capability to achieve erection within roughly a month or so. An apparently unavoidable side effect of pre-pubital castration.

When I was in school, I was about the youngest student for my grade theroughout. First time in the showers after gym (in the 7th grade) I saw that I was already far more advanced into puberty than many of my much older classmates. Many of them started to mature only in the ninth and tenth grades.

YC

I came across this posting while searching for something totally different and was immediately struck by "I know several eunuchs who

YankeeClipper (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:38 pm were gelded before puberty (ages 11 thru 13) and

"a castrato...who was castrated to preserve his voice shortly after turning 15".

Now there are (we've all met them) dirty-minded kids who are fascinated by anything to do with their "privates" - possibly even so far as having them removed. Also there are schoolboy crazes - this year it's hooded parkas, at some time in the future it might be to go around ball-less. These are just two of the many reasons why, in the West, castration of pre-teens is outlawed. Pre-teens are just not mature enough to make that decision. However much they might fancy getting neutered, it's just not on.

As to the castrato, can anyone really see in the 21st century the following scenario - "Ho Doc - I've brought Johnny in for the snip, like we arranged - I've got some shopping to do and I'll call back for him in an hour, okay?"

No. Let's keep the neutering of 11- to 13-year-olds in the Stories section.

C van D

C van D (imported) wrote: Sun Jan 25, 2009 7:12 am As to the castrato, can anyone really see in the 21st century the following scenario - "Ho Doc - I've brought Johnny in for the snip, like we arranged - I've got some shopping to do and I'll call back for him in an hour, okay?"

No. Let's keep the neutering of 11- to 13-year-olds in the Stories section.

C van D

I totally agree with you in the Western and/or Developed world... But what about in other nations? A lot of other "barbaric" type stuff still happens in nations that continue to live as if they were still in previous centuries. I wonder if there could possibly still be castrato or young eunuchs in those places?

As to the erections-before-puberty thing: I think all, or at least the overwhelming majority of, boys are able to get erections. I was sporting erections at 5 years old, or maybe 6 at the very latest. Any friends that I "played doctor" with as a kid were all able to get erections (these were mostly boys and would have all been within probably 2 or 3 years of my age). We used to think it was funny when our "dick got straight"...

I did a whole lot of sexual "playing around" at 7 years old (that was a very memorable year for me because we had family friends staying with us for about 14 months and they had kid our ages). We hardly knew what we were doing -- other that if you played with it, it would grow and get straight, and it would feel good.

The hard part was always getting it to go back down!! Its pretty hard to pull up your pants (especially in a hurry because you are about to get "caught" by someone) when you have a "major woodie"!!

Anyway, my point is, of the dozen-or-so boys I had "played doctor" with during my childhood years, all but one were able to get erections. For the one boy who didn't, we only got to "play around" for about 20-30 seconds, barely enough to get our clothes off, because we just about got caught. I am convinced that if we had the chance to play around a bit, that he would have gotten an erection.

(He might have actually had one but it didn't show much. He had a really small dick, and was somewhat overweight. When he first pulled down his pants, he actually had an "innie" down there! I mean his penis was actually inside (like inverted almost) and formed a small hole at the top of his scrotum. You could barely see the head (glans) in there. It had stated to come out some (no longer an "innie" and glans showing) just before we had to stop and quickly pull up our pants. That is why I think he might have been starting to get an erection).

On age of earliest erections, I have changed diapers on infant boys not long past newborn stage, and can testify that they have the cutest little erections. Just ask your teenage daughters who babysit. They usually giggle and blush, but they can probably confirm this. Quoted from an on line forum on motherhood -- "As I recall, there is clear evidence that boys actually have erections in utero."

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