Most of my stories-as people who've read them know-are about boys who are castrated. Some people don't think we should have such stories about kids on the Archive, but I think they're important. When I first discovered my cock, as in my story, Wasted Years (http://www.eunuch.org/Alpha/W/ea_53837wasted_y.htm), I was in love with it. It was the most important thing in my life. Maybe all boys don't feel that way, but I think most do. I would have been devastated had anything happened to it-or to my balls. I think that's why writing about a boy losing his cock or balls has such poignancy, at least to me.

Later in life, other things intrude; obtaining an education, work, emotional and sexual relationships, family; but, then, when you've just masturbated for the first time, nothing is more important than your own cock.

I think also that the readers of the stories differ from most of those posting to the message boards. Most of those posting, want to be rid of their cocks or balls. To the contrary, I think most of the readers of the stories, although turned on by the prospect, don't actually want it to happen. In some ways, it's like reading a horror story. One wouldn't actually want to be in that situation, but it's exciting to think about it. It's an adrenaline rush.

I understand that primal fear and the recovery of it. The stories probably put us on "lists," though nothing that I have read here in the past is as awful as "The Left Behind" novels. Well, okay, I haven't read those novels, but I have seen the graphic posters--they are weird.

I no longer read our stories. However, I read little fiction. Nevertheless, the stories may be the most important part of the site--except for reports from Andrew and others. We can read medical sites. The stories make this forum unique. They indicate the core emotional content that brings us here.

Certainly, from childhood, I remember anxiety about loss of my penis. It not only was but is my favorite part of my body, even if I now never get to share my sexuality with anyone else.

Remember that the horror stories of real life--sexual slavery, FGM, abusive priests, rape of women in the Congo, and all the other sexual crimes do not come from our fiction.

Slammr (imported) wrote: Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:34 pm Some people don't think we should have such stories about kids on the Archive...

I've gotten a LOT of feedback from Archive readers (not users, there is a difference) about stories of the 'minor' genre. Many of them express horror, outrage, disgust, you name it. I always try to keep in mind that such is liable to stun someone. Common sense would dictate such.

We've had the discussion, often heated, before - should we keep the 'minor' genre stories? I don't believe we've had that discussion on this incarnation of VBulletin.

Bboy's thoughts were that he felt that the reader could put himself in place of the boy in the stories, thereby gaining some amount of therapy from the reading. For anyone getting a 'turn on' from the reading, he rationalized that said person wasn't hurting anyone if he was sitting in his living room or wherever reading and writing.

And it's not just that. A surprising number of Archive readers and users have reported that their fascination (even obsession) with the subject developed in childhood.

Do I feel that these stories serve a purpose? Yes.

Do I feel that this service might in some way be constructive? Yes.

Everyone needs a way to work through their problems, no matter what 'so-and-so' might think of it.

And as Softee says, there are far more horrible things going on in the world today than one finds in some of our fiction here.

Knowing a few law enforcement persons, and being in the line of work that I am, I can assure you that some of the things you'll see here are tame in comparison to reality.

Paolo wrote: Thu Jan 27, 2005 4:04 pm I've gotten a LOT of feedback from Archive readers (not users, there is a difference) about stories of the 'minor' genre. Many of them express horror, outrage, disgust, you name it. I always try to keep in mind that such is liable to stun someone. Common sense would dictate such.

We've had the discussion, often heated, before - should we keep the 'minor' genre stories? I don't believe we've had that discussion on this incarnation of VBulletin.

Bboy's thoughts were that he felt that the reader could put himself in place of the boy in the stories, thereby gaining some amount of therapy from the reading. For anyone getting a 'turn on' from the reading, he rationalized that said person wasn't hurting anyone if he was sitting in his living room or wherever reading and writing.

And it's not just that. A surprising number of Archive readers and users have reported that their fascination (even obsession) with the subject developed in childhood.

Do I feel that these stories serve a purpose? Yes.

Do I feel that this service might in some way be constructive? Yes.

Everyone needs a way to work through their problems, no matter what 'so-and-so' might think of it.

And as Softee says, there are far more horrible things going on in the world today than one finds in some of our fiction here.

Knowing a few law enforcement persons, and being in the line of work that I am, I can assure you that some of the things you'll see here are tame in comparison to reality.

I started this thread because a long response I received to the aforementioned story, knowing we had discussed it before. It wasn't until I responded to his email that I realized what it was that so fascinated me about the subject, which as I said, is that-at that age-a boy's cock and balls are all important. At my present age, my cock and balls are little used accouterments. If they were cut off, I might miss them, but life would go on, little altered by their absence. Loss of them at my present age wouldn't make a very interesting story, not even to myself.

I'm disappointed at times that some readers are turned on by descriptions of poignant moments which I had intended to use to arouse sympathy instead, but neither I nor any other writer can be held accountable for another person's reaction to what we write. If we were, we couldn't write at all.

I agree with Paolo that such stories can be therapeutic-at least I know writing them is. Whether any of my readers would agree, I couldn't say.

Slammr and I have talked about children on numerous occasions. We are both proud grandfathers and have many concerns about the way that society is destructive of children. Some of our concerns get expressed in “over the top” stories that take the current reality and push it on into horrific accounts – accounts that are usually but minor projections from the reality that is actually out there.

Slammr’s stories, especially, can be taken as powerful warnings about where our society is headed. I have a very difficult time getting his stories of children destroyed by government institutions out of my head. I have had nightmares over them, induced by Slammr’s tremendous concern for children.

What makes Slammr’s stories even more powerful is to realize that he was, at one time, a juvenile welfare caseworker. He knows first hand of much of what he writes. He wasn’t able to continue that job because of his concerns for what the system was doing to the children he was trying to help. He fought with his superiors to try to provide better treatment for children. He has taken direct action on child welfare well beyond the stories that he writes.

There is, in my opinion, one overwhelming factor why a realistic archive must contain stories involving minors. This relates to the fact that, throughout history, most of those who suffered castration did so as boys, and usually as very young ones.

PUEROS

I have to say, I think all the child molestation and mutilation stories on here are very wrong, and one of the main problems I have in general with the board. Sure, they're just stories.........but what does it say about the person writing it, or reading it and getting off? Normal adults don't fantasize about children being castrated or raped or any of the horrible stuff I came across whilst flipping through the story section (I no longer go there.) People tend to read and enjoy what they are attracted to. I like men, so the porn and erotic stories I enjoy involve men. Moving on from that, my sexual relationships are with men. Now, if you write/read about children......where do you think that will go? From fantasy, where do you take that? I personally worry a great deal about anyone who writes this stuff and has contact with children in any way. It's a short jump from fantasizing about children sexually and acting on it.

To be honest, I think a lot of people I see posting here are probably heading down the wrong path. To me, having castration done because you like pain or injury or want to be tied up and beaten and made into a "slave" sounds stupid at best and downright lethal at worst. For transgendered reasons, it seems to make more sense. However, as adults we are more or less free to decide what we do to our bodies.

When it comes to stuff involving kids, though, I draw the line. For too long I think I've said to myself "well, anything goes here" and "don't judge" but that's stupid. Some things ARE wrong and should be harshly condemned. I hope that those people writing the kiddy porn stories on here, sick though they may be, are able to restain themselves to just writing. However, if any one is acting on any of these impulses......... I hope you get caught, arrested, and may you be thrown into the deepest dungeon and rot there forever. I doubt you'll be missed.

Some questions, WeRNotAfraid:-

What is a “normal adult”? Are you one, WeRNotAfraid?

Does eunuch.org cater for “normal adults”?

What is a child? Is your country’s definition, WeRNotAfraid, of a child correct in modern times?

Is it right to replicate in fictional form what actually either happened in the past or goes on today? If not, why not? Are modern adults too sensitive to be made aware of realities?

Is it right to reproduce sexual fantasies in fictional form, whatever they may be? If not, why not, given that many learned people consider such pornography to be therapeutic? Also, who is the censor that will judge where the line should be set? You, WeRNotAfraid?

Thankfully, WeRNotAfraid does not “draw the line” at eunuch.org for otherwise the story archive would be virtually empty, and a substantial part of the board’s remit defunct.

I also think, WeRNotAfraid, that you should change your pseudonym to ‘WeRAPrude’!

PUEROS

Calling me a "prude" because I don't enjoy or condone stories about child molestation is ludicrous. As for my country's definition of a child, perhaps you should look it up. We're not being made "aware of realities," we're reading fantasies about the mutilation and torture of children written in such a way that's obvious the writer finds that sort of garbage sexually exciting. Perhaps you're not aware of the many, many children that get kidnapped, tortured, and murdered every year by child molesters, many of whom like stories along these lines. Is that ok, too? Or are you saying that everything is all good so long as it gets you off? Of course, it's censorship and prudishness not to condone anything and everything that someone is fixated on. At least, that's the feeling I am getting here.

As a transgendered person, I am probably not considered "normal" but at least I am not so pathetic and inadequate that I have to fixate on defenseless children. Even the thought of it turns my stomach. Imagine YOUR mother or sister getting raped. Imagine her getting her womb cut out, her breasts hacked off. Imagine her screaming and bleeding. Isn't that hot? Of course it isn't. Imagine yourself as a child being violated. Does that turn you on? I hope not.

I'm sure I'll hear every excuse in the book. "Kids really like it;" "It's only a fantasy;" etc. You'll find if you ever read any true crime books or happen to catch a trial on TV that most child molesters and pedophiles always have some reason as to how THEY'RE not the sick ones. I think you'll also find that these so-called reasons rarely stand up in court.

Sex between consenting adults is one thing. Disgusting rape and abuse fantasies about children is another. If that makes me a prude, so be it.

We've already discussed the issue here in this thread as to why EA supports the "minor theme" stories.

Everyone has a right to his/her/its own opinion.

Everyone has the right to share that opinion.

Tactfully.

If you folks are get into name calling and open warfare, take it into PM or I'll ban all of you.