I've noticed that right across the net and in men's magazines that recently there has been a new debate on "the male meopause". The usual questions follow, 'What is it?' 'Does it Exist' etc..

Alot of us will have views and I thought it would be a good opportunity to read a number of views from both virile men, wanabees, eunuchs and transgendered readers.

Meanwhile, today I have come across an interesting thread on the subject by Dr Rob Hicks - not many of us will be like the mention of male HRT patches, but if you read the right hand column of the site you will notice that there is discussion on many aspects of male health - a good male health resource is very worthy. Anyway, judge the site for yourself at:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/mens/body_menopause.shtml

It's vaguely my recollection that the term "male menopause" was coined by feminists some years ago as a counter to the perception that the moodswings caused by women's reproductive cycles and then by menopause disqualified women from responsible jobs. In other words the term had, I recall, a distinctly political origin. Even if that recollection of mine is inaccurate, equally inaccurate is the term "male menopause" in implying that men undergo anything at all comparable to menopause in women. Menopause represents the final termination of a woman's reproductive life, even though in fact fertility has usually ended as a result of deterioration of the eggs about a decade earlier. Uncastrated men -- even those whose lose the ability to maintain an erection -- produce up to the end of their lives viable sperm which can be used for artificial insemination, and not a few father children the "normal" way at an advanced age. For women, menopause means the end of menstruation, which is clearly a significant factor in their lives, both freeing then from its burdens but also depriving them of their sense of being young enough to reproduce, a psychologically depressing fact for some, and I suspect many, women. Men, not having menstrual periods, consequently have no comparable experience either physically or psychologically. Menopause brings with it very specific symptoms such as hot flashes which uncastrated men simply do not experience. Some men, when they reach about 50, have a mid-life crisis in terms of "is this all there is?" or "did I make the most of my life I could have?" Indeed I had such a crisis. But real though the latter often is, its origins are clearly very different from those of menopause in both psychological terms (i.e. the trigger is not a very dramatic termination of reproductive potential) and physiological ones (the hormone changes that accompany menopause.) In short, my personal view is that "male menopause" is a very inaccurate, and there unhelpful, term to apply to a psychological reality (male mid-life crisis) that is a horse of a completely different color. Incidentally, as one can guess from my fantasy-self avatar, I write this as a man who wishes he were a woman.

Sac_mec (imported) wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:37 am I've noticed that right across the net and in men's magazines that recently there has been a new debate on "the male meopause". The usual questions follow, 'What is it?' 'Does it Exist' etc..

It Exist only for man that become Hpyogonadal (spelling?). Due to me playing with needles and my balls, plus banding and some meds, my balls shut down about 7 years ago. I developed little tits and a big butt and was that way until wife took me to the doctor and I ended up on HRT. I still have the little tits but no big butt and my pants fit me now. Yes until I was on HRT sex just wasn't there.

So it "the male meopause" did exist but only for a few males.

_g

Sac_mec (imported) wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:37 am I've noticed that right across the net and in men's magazines that recently there has been a new debate on "the male meopause". The usual questions follow, 'What is it?' 'Does it Exist' etc..

Alot of us will have views and I thought it would be a good opportunity to read a number of views from both virile men, wanabees, eunuchs and transgendered readers.

Male menopause exists to the extent that many males - Dr Michael Colgan's Hormonal Health suggests 5-7% of men aged 50-60 years - lose the ability to produce sufficient quantities of testosterone. HRT with male hormones (testosterone) is the usual treatment. The main issue for the medical profession is to treat the patient in such a way that his residual natural ability to produce hormones is not further reduced by the treatment. Cycling treatment so the patient's organs are relied on periodically is the usual way it's done. The easiest method is to have 4 week gaps in injections, or whatever, for injections that provide supplementation for injections that last 2-3 weeks.

I experienced this in my very late 40s. The most obvious symptoms were loss of physical energy and slower facial hair growth. I'd been shaving about every second day since age 20. I was able to reduce that to once weekly. Following the initiation of HRT, I started shaving twice weekly and had a lot more energy - greater libido as well.

Dependence on HRT, in part, motivated me to finally carry through with my desire to be castrated. I knew I could obtain sufficient hormones artificially. My doc's response when I informed him I'd been castrated - aside from initial shock and some questions about gender dysphoria - was that I could have as much testosterone as I wanted, and we wouldn't be worrying about cycling the HRT any longer.

Back to the original question! Men don't usually experience the same sudden loss of hormone production that women do at a certain age. A small proportion experience sufficient reduction, usually the result of aging, that treatment is indicated. There is no male equivalent to female menopause.

So here's my question, as I have asked before. If women can be hysterical, then why can't men be "PROSTERICAL"?

Heheheh... A-1 Please define "Prosterical". I have various ideas as to what you could mean by that.

Sac_mec (imported) wrote: Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:37 am I've noticed that right across the net and in men's magazines that recently there has been a new debate on "the male meopause". The usual questions follow, 'What is it?' 'Does it Exist' etc..

It would be great if men experienced a substantial reduction in testosterone after 40 years old. They would have fewer prostate problems. That is a good reason for mandatory (or elective) castration.

Hysterical...

In a woman, this means excitable and unable to concentrate. The treatment in the late 1800's and early 1900's was to masturbate them to orgasm.

Boy, it was a daunting task for those early, turn-of-the-century physicians, but somebody had to do it.

Times were good then. Remind me to tell you the story of the time in the 10's when the Pharmacist ran out of Codiene and put Heroin in the cough syrup as a substitute. Talk about your prosterical and hysterical...

*snip*

Today, now, for a male to show up at the doctor's office excitable and unable to concentrate the diagnosis of "prosterical" would cause the male to have to submit to the obligatory "hand job" by a nurse, female doctor, or so forth.

Huh??. Yep! Just as in the old days, but if he did it himself, {CLIP, SNIP} END OF PROBLEM...just like clitorectomy fixed hysterical...

Nice story, huh?

A-1

It has been stated in the posts above that men dont experience the monthly cycle like a woman.

WRONG

Case in point,

When my daughter started her monthly cycle at about age 13, my wife, 4 sons and I experienced them as well.

6:00 am wake up call, Tap on the door, "Julie"

6:10 am wake up call, Tap on the door, "Julie"

6:15 am wake up call, Tap on the door, "JULIE"

"WHAT, I AM AWAKE"

ok

6:25 am "Julie, Julie, Julie, JULIE"

"I SAID I WAS AWAKE, ARE YOU DEAF"

you get the idea, this goes on 3 weeks out of every four.

You see you have the week before, the week of, and the week after where that wonderful little girl that you love so much turns into the Bitch of the Year.

I remember one time we were all watching tv, my ex, my daughter, 4 sons and I, and Julie went into the kitchen to fix herself something to eat. When she returned she sat next to her mother and mom said "can I have a bite"? Julies responce was swift and direct, "HERE, EAT THE WHOLE DAM THING, IF YOU WERE HUNGRY YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID SO" she leaves the plate and stomps off to her room, slamming the door behind her. My ex looks at all of us, we all shrug, and go back to watching tv. About 15 minutes later Julie comes back and sits down and says, "I am sorry mom, I might be a little touchie today". My ex, sons and I are rolling on the floor laughing our heads off.

Answer: yes men and anybody near a woman in that condition is fair game and the lady in question will let you damn well know it.

sigh, She is much better today much to the releaf of all of us.

RW

After thought:

I had this boss, nice lady, kind, helpful, etc all the things that you get with a good boss. The days that she was, shall we say, on the rag. She would put up a sign that said BAD HAIR DAY, take your chances.

RW

I have experienced it or, at least, the effects of almost non-existent testosterone levels. I am not certain what all the effects have been. During the interval my testosterone levels fell, I developed cardiac illness. I experience considerable gain in weight. Anyone who has read my prior posts may recall other symptoms and problems related to depression and treatment for it.

Currently, after HRT last year, I still fell some return of libido, though not the return of sexual function I experienced during the time I got HRT.

I don't know how often what I experienced happens.