My husband is considering taking the ultimate step (see our story in the poll about women likiung their husband being castrated) and we are in the early stages of "learning." We haven't even talked to the doctor or therapist about this step yet but if after we learn more we still lean this direction they will be involved. This seems like a pretty honest group that can give us some light based on actual experience as well as book smarts. We doubt that I would be allowed to assist in an operating room castration (and the kitchen table is out) and a burdizzo does not seem to work on humans. Has anyone heard of using an elastrator on a man and if so is it safe, effective, and how painful?

Also, we got the impression from some postings that a physically castrated man can still have intercourse. Is somebody pulling my leg here or if by some therapeutic mirical I thought I wanted to attempt intercourse would my husband actually be able to do it and have some orgasmic sensation?

As an alternative, does anyone have any truely long term experience on chemical castratio (several years?) Could it possibly still be reversible and what are the long term health effects of these drugs? Are some drugs safer than the androcur long term?

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anon (imported) wrote: Thu Nov 13, 2003 7:16 am As an alternative, does anyone have any truely long term experience on chemical castratio (several years?) Could it possibly still be reversible and what are the long term health effects of these drugs? Are some drugs safer than the androcur long term?

Several Years... The answer is most likely not. Starilty (sp) happens 6-12 months of use, recovery of the production of Testosterone veries. It all depends on your body, some will never recover and some even after a year will fully recover. In short it's a crap shoot.

Some of the drugs mess with your lever, so you should be under a Doctors care.

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I have been on pepo provera now for the past 17 monthes and no bad side effects as of this post.Anon i would recomend you try chemical castration first just to see if you and your body can do this.

It is best to be under a doctors care to check things like liver and other problems that you might come across.

I here the elastrator is very painful and infection is a problem so dont beleave all thoes stories about them.

Now is pepo provera better than Androcur i cant answer that for you but provera is approved by the FDA if that means anything so good luck .

A burdiizo can work. I know.

It does invlove pain (severe), but it does not really last long. (Bad pain is hours long, severe aching a few days, and dull aching a while longer).

From comments my Doctor made, human castration via a burdizzo may not be as rare as seems to be thought here. At least not in ranch country.

You might consider it. DO make sure you get quick medical attention. An "incomplete" clamping can cause serious problems. My Doctor was most concerned about that, and asked questions as to where exactly the clamp had been placed ( I had not really sen), and how long it was left clamped (over 5 minutes for each of mine)...apparently that was excessive, but she said that is was better that way than too short.

I strongly urge you to consider this long and hard, and then reconsider it. It is not reversible. I had thought about on and off for quite some time, but when it finally happened it happened fast. I do not dwell on "ifs" and strive to make my current situiation live up to the goals I had when I was thinking about life as a euncuh years ago.

anon (imported) wrote: Thu Nov 13, 2003 7:16 am Also, we got the impression from some postings that a physically castrated man can still have intercourse. Is somebody pulling my leg here or if by some therapeutic mirical I thought I wanted to attempt intercourse would my husband actually be able to do it and have some orgasmic sensation?

Whilst castration does greatly reduce the amount of testosterone in a man's body, this does not, in itself, render a male sexless. YMWV (Your Milage Will Vary) is no more evident in eunuchs then in this topic.

The four factors to be considered are:

1) Age at castration. Younger eunuchs can retain quite a bit of sexual functioning. Especially those castrated in their teenage years after puberty (as was done to some Roman slaves to make them useful to Roman ladies who wanted sex without children.) Even men castrated in their 20s and 30s may retain some sexual function, if at a reduced level. Once you get into your 40s and above, the more likely total impotence might set in.

2) Years since castration. All men seem to have reduced sexual function as they age. Eunuchs tend to lose their sexual functions faster. As time goes on, the more likely a eunuch will lose interest in sex and drift into impotence.

3) The adrenal glands. After castration, the adrenal glands are the main source of the bodies testosterone, typically less then 5% of levels before castration. The more testosterone produced, the more likely the man will have some sexual ability.

4) Mental factors. Probably the hardest aspect to quantify and describe. Many non-sexual eunuchs find that they can regain some sexual function if a woman comes along who really triggers deep emotional buttons. Other eunuchs may decide to ignore sex altogether. Most of the time, your testosterone levels are such that you have no "need", "drive". "libido", "itch", or whatever you want to call.

Now a statistical sample of one. Me. Castrated at age 56 because I wanted to eliminate the sex drive. This has happened. I have no need or urge. Maybe once every month or two I masturbate, mostly out of curiosity and just to see if I still can. But I don't NEED to. Mostly I drift in the asexual eunuch calm, which is what I wanted from my castration.

Again, Your Milage *WILL* vary.

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I want to thank you all for your comments. Information on castration is not all that plentiful. As I stated in my origional post in the poll on chemical castration, he has been on Androcur for about 7 months. My GYN is acting as our doctor and wouldn't prescribe anything but did agree to monitor him closely if we chose to do this. She is checking all of the potential side effects and also giving him calcium suppliments. Our therapist is also a little unsure of our choice but is watching for signs of depression and makes sure every month by interviewing us separately and together that we are both being 100% honest with each other and not trying to make it work for the sake of the partner. As I said, so far side effects are minimal but he works out at the "Y" and still plays in the mens senior volley ball and basketball leagues.

We are going to talk to the two doctors (my GYN and the therapist) later this week and get some of their input but this whole concept is a little foriegn to them. They are doing it for us mostly because of my friendship with the one and our sincerety that they see in us. They would both ratther see us( me mostly) in conventional sex therapy.

You make a good point in that you are talking to your doctor with an honest aproach to your problem.And yes thay dont quite know just how to deal with this but by working togeather maby somthing can be worked out.I have said many times here you need to talk to your doctor and if thay dont listen find one who will.

anon (imported) wrote: Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:43 am We are going to talk to the two doctors (my GYN and the therapist) later this week and get some of their input but this whole concept is a little foriegn to them. They are doing it for us mostly because of my friendship with the one and our sincerety that they see in us. They would both ratther see us( me mostly) in conventional sex therapy.

Please print out the following and show it to your Gynecologist and Therapists. See if it helps them to understand. Your husband might want a copy as well.

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Every Eunuch will have different effects from his castration. Some of this may depend on whether he is an “elective” Eunuch or not. YMWV = Your Mileage Will vary. Some side effects of castration are:

Infertility, in all cases.

Many (but not all) elective eunuchs develop “The Eunuch Calm”, with reduced or eliminated thoughts of sex, aggression, and ambition. In the words of Dr. Spector, “either case of TS or eunuch, a deep, calm serenity develops which, from then on, makes life far more worthwhile.” This has happened to me, but again, YMWV. This is less likely to happen to non-elective eunuchs.

Reduced libido, erections, and nocturnal emissions, sometimes to the point of total asexuality.

Weight gain, including subcutaneous body fat. This thin layer of fat causes the skin to become softer and smoother.

Loss or thinning of body hair, but male pattern baldness slows down or stops. Reduced body odor.

Loss of lean muscle mass (hence muscle weakness, increased fatigue, and loss of stamina). Your shoulders will become narrower and you will lose muscle definition in your upper torso without a VIGOROUS exercise program.

Little to mild breast development (gynecomastia), and mild fat redistribution around the hips and thighs.

The penis may shrink.

Hot flushes and night sweats in some cases, lasting up to 5 years.

POSSIBLE moodiness and tearfulness. Do not be surprised if you start crying far more frequently over what may seem to be trivial matters.

There MIGHT be cognitive losses, mostly in spatial orientation and short term memory

Post-surgical depression is common. Possible chronic depression SHOULD be a major concern, and may require professional therapy. This is far more likely to happen to non-elective eunuchs.

The WORST side effect is osteoporosis. You should take at least 1,500 MG of calcium and 400 IU of Vitamin D daily. Shortly before or after castration, you should have a bone density scan, and after that a scan every two years. A proper diet and exercise program will help in the battle against osteoporosis.

Most Physicians have no experience in caring for a hypogonadal man. Consider finding a Physician who has a thorough working knowledge on the problems and treatments of menopausal and post-menopausal women. Whilst the biology of a Eunuch and a post-menopausal woman are not identical, there is some overlap.

Andrew (imported) wrote: Tue Nov 18, 2003 3:02 pm Please print out the following and show it to your Gynecologist and Therapists. See if it helps them to understand. Your husband might want a copy as well.

Thank you Andrew. We will defintiely take this list with us. We will be going back to the coast tomorrow and will see the Doctor this weekend. Both of us are now a little more frieghtened of this step. He was origionally thinking that the surgical approach would just l;eave him permenently asexual without the long term problems that might be associated with taking chemicals ofr the rest of his life. This is definitely a bigger step than we had imagined.

anon (imported) wrote: Thu Nov 13, 2003 7:16 am My husband is considering taking the ultimate step (see our story in the poll about women likiung their husband being castrated) and we are in the early stages of "learning." We haven't even talked to the doctor or therapist about this step yet but if after we learn more we still lean this direction they will be involved. This seems like a pretty honest group that can give us some light based on actual experience as well as book smarts. We doubt that I would be allowed to assist in an operating room castration (and the kitchen table is out) and a burdizzo does not seem to work on humans. Has anyone heard of using an elastrator on a man and if so is it safe, effective, and how painful?

Also, we got the impression from some postings that a physically castrated man can still have intercourse. Is somebody pulling my leg here or if by some therapeutic mirical I thought I wanted to attempt intercourse would my husband actually be able to do it and have some orgasmic sensation?

As an alternative, does anyone have any truely long term experience on chemical castratio (several years?) Could it possibly still be reversible and what are the long term health effects of these drugs? Are some drugs safer than the androcur long term?

This is not the first time I have heard a wife wishing their husbands were castrated. I know one or two that would have it done in a instant if hubby was willing.That being said your choices are somewhat limited. Male urges are somewhat hard to control, if you do not sleep in diffrent rooms you will be dealing with it on a nightly basis. Castration is really the only method of control that works. I was done almost three years now and I have acheived errection strong enough for intercourse 2 times and not in the last year. My wife and still sleep together and she is very attractive. I allways used to before I was done get a very stiff errection every time I saw her naked. Now I do not. I am 43 years old and my wife is 38. I have heard some castrated males can acheive a errection at will but my doctor who has quite a few patients like me says most do not acheive errections stiff enough to maintain intercourse untill climax. He also said a castrated male that has had his balls removed is more likely to be able to have sex than a chemically castrated male. He strongly recomends removal over chemical treatment for medical reasons as does our family doctor. She says the result is the same without some additional side effects and much more cost effective in te long run. If you decide to have hubby fixed for good its a simple procedure. He will be in and out in no time with out a lot of pain afterwards. I think you will achieve your goal either way you decide to go the important thing is doing things under a doctors care. The operation is a breeze if done correctlly.