Well this should make for some interesting discussion. I got this email this morning from someone who got into our database somehow, and is now shocked by us.

Were I the vindictive sort, I'd publish the IP and address, but I won't.

I had no idea we were so shocking. Read on...

You have got to be kidding?? You expect decent transgendered people to

sign up to a place with "eunuch" in the title? That's like asking First

Nation two-spirits to sign up for a "berdache" forum! Pretty sickening.

Don't you realise that it is because of people like you that we are

forced into psychiatric servitude and mind meddling, that our lives are

considered forfeit by the far right and our core identities are abused

on a daily basis by everyone from clinicians to politicians, the media

to the clergy? We are not a sexual minority, and I for one don't like

being tarred with the same brush that you seem to be advertising.

It isn't body modification, it is an insult to trans-people everywhere,

on a par with female genital circumcision. A eunuch is not a

trans-woamn, and certainly not a trans-man, I am horrified that you

could even consider trrying to equate our lives (and our bodies) with an

ancient and ritually spiritual practice, not done for it's sexual

gratification. Again, we find the post-modern world denigrating the past

in it's search for sexual pleasure. As if it isn't bad enough that

academia has theoretically tarred and feathered the eunuchs of past

generations, you are doing exactly the same now. Pitiful, really

pitiful.

Wow ! DeCaf for THAT one from now on !!!

tb

Paolo wrote: Mon Jun 30, 2003 7:33 am Well this should make for some interesting discussion.

[snip]

Read on...

You have got to be kidding?? You expect decent transgendered people to

sign up to a place with "eunuch" in the title? That's like asking First

Nation two-spirits to sign up for a "berdache" forum! Pretty sickening.

Don't you realise that it is because of people like you that we are

forced into psychiatric servitude and mind meddling, that our lives are

considered forfeit by the far right and our core identities are abused

on a daily basis by everyone from clinicians to politicians, the media

to the clergy? We are not a sexual minority, and I for one don't like

being tarred with the same brush that you seem to be advertising.

It isn't body modification, it is an insult to trans-people everywhere,

on a par with female genital circumcision. A eunuch is not a

trans-woamn, and certainly not a trans-man, I am horrified that you

could even consider trrying to equate our lives (and our bodies) with an

ancient and ritually spiritual practice, not done for it's sexual

gratification. Again, we find the post-modern world denigrating the past

in it's search for sexual pleasure. As if it isn't bad enough that

academia has theoretically tarred and feathered the eunuchs of past

generations, you are doing exactly the same now. Pitiful, really

pitiful.

I don't regularly cruise the TG section of the Archive, maybe I should do it more often. I doubt people are any different there than I already see in other sections. Sherry, Christina, and many others do not seem to be excessively bothered by daily activities on the board, I'm sure they would let us know if they were.

I don't really feel there is abuse of the TG community here, rather acceptance and a willingness to help, if only with one short stage of the process. I have a very close friend who is post-op TG that has recommended Sherry's pages to me as she knows my wife and I have been discussing castration for a few years now. Not because she wants me to become TG, but for information on just the one step.

Yes, Eunuch is in the title of this Archive. Transgender is in the title of other places on the 'net that I will go to seek further information on castration. I'm not transgender, but one step of that process is the step I seek. Should I express my dismay to them at having to use their forums when it is not exactly what I want?

IMHO, it looks as if someone didn't get past reading the first couple pages, if that, before deciding to spew their frustrations with the world out at us. Paolo, I think someone was having a bad day. I might even go so far say something about their transitional hormone levels, but will leave it off.

To everyone who is TG here, I openly welcome you, and to those who are here for whatever other reason, you are welcome as well.

My thanks to Paolo, BBoy, and all for a wonderful place to be.

I am a TG and I love this site. "An insult to trans-people everywhere"?? Whatever. The smallest minds are often the most opinionated ones.

I would never called a first nations twin spirit a berdache.

Rich (imported) wrote: Mon Jun 30, 2003 8:46 am I don't regularly cruise the TG section of the Archive, maybe I should do it more often. I doubt people are any different there than I already see in other sections. Sherry, Christina, and many others do not seem to be excessively bothered by daily activities on the board, I'm sure they would let us know if they were.

I don't really feel there is abuse of the TG community here, rather acceptance and a willingness to help, if only with one short stage of the process. I have a very close friend who is post-op TG that has recommended Sherry's pages to me as she knows my wife and I have been discussing castration for a few years now. Not because she wants me to become TG, but for information on just the one step.

Yes, Eunuch is in the title of this Archive. Transgender is in the title of other places on the 'net that I will go to seek further information on castration. I'm not transgender, but one step of that process is the step I seek. Should I express my dismay to them at having to use their forums when it is not exactly what I want?

IMHO, it looks as if someone didn't get past reading the first couple pages, if that, before deciding to spew their frustrations with the world out at us. Paolo, I think someone was having a bad day. I might even go so far say something about their transitional hormone levels, but will leave it off.

To everyone who is TG here, I openly welcome you, and to those who are here for whatever other reason, you are welcome as well.

My thanks to Paolo, BBoy, and all for a wonderful place to be.

Thank's Rich,

No, I'm not bothered by some of the posts here. As a lot of people here will tell you, I came to this site seeking information about castration as part of my gender reassignment. Yes, I decided to stick around because of the truely freindly people here, and the fact that there were (at least at the time) a couple of other TS/TG folk too. There seems to be an increase in the area of transsexualism with some new faces arouind today.

One thing that I would like to put to rest is the fact that not all transsexuals can afford the full surgery (or want it), so for them, castration is a reasonable alternative and is much more affordable. Plus (and I'm only speaking from my POV) it gives a sense of accomplishment to getting rid of at least part of something unwanted.

A rant like that comes from a shallow mind and from someone skimming the surface and not looking deep enough to reveal the truth of the matter. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I think this person has more deep seeded issues and is trying to attack anyone that will listen.

What's sad is the missed support and friendship that this person COULD have found here. Oh well...

...ya never know what is going to come dragging into this place, do ya?

DeCaf won't cut it with this one. This one needs some serious sedation.

Did you ever notice how some people take themselves WAY too seriously?

This is a case in point...it's not us, it's him...

Thanks for sharing, Paolo.

A-1

A-1 (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 01, 2003 10:12 pm ...ya never know what is going to come dragging into this place, do ya?

DeCaf won't cut it with this one. This one needs some serious sedation.

Did you ever notice how some people take themselves WAY too seriously?

This is a case in point...it's not us, it's him...

Thanks for sharing, Paolo.

A-1

Ya just don’t know who drops in this place, this one is not a TG and will most likely never be one. He will piss off everyone that is here to help on all sites ours and TG. Hell if this person pulled there head out and came in and asked a few questions, we could lead him to a TG chat room. Oh well, no loss

Paolo, keep these coming, maybe start a new group call fan mail



RW

Paolo at first i wasent going to reply to this post but i feel this is a good lesson for all of us .First of all as you pointed out this person is missing out on the support and friendship that is so wonderful here.But it should remind us all not to judge people by your standerds and that is what this person has done for this person has prejudged all of us and never took the time to know us how sad.Ihave to rember what God has told us and that we are to love one another as he loves us and not to gudge one another or you will be judged your self.And as you can see this person is beaing judged quite severly.i love you all your friend Sag111