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Cords tieing

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2002 11:25 am
by Alex (imported)
When I read the stories in the Archive almost in every case I could find the information about the cords tied before cutting balls. Why it's necessary to tie off the cords before cutting through them?

Re: Cords tieing

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2002 11:53 am
by happousai (imported)
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Alex (imported) wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2002 11:25 am Why it's necessary to tie off the cords before cutting through them?

The cords supply a lot of blood to the testicles. Tying off the cords prevents all the blood from spurting out.

Re: Cords tieing

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2002 1:27 pm
by Tomas (imported)
Yup! The "cords" have the nerves, vas deferens (sperm ducts), and blood supply in 'em. If the cords are not tied, and tied very well, before they are cut, there can be very copius bleeding that is not easily stopped.

That step as shown in my "surgery" section on my site:

http://www.bmeworld.com/smooth/IMG/fig2b.gif

2. After the subcutaneous fat tissue has

been dissected, the spermatic cords on

both sides are divided (ligated and suture

ligated with 2/0 synthetic absorbable

sutures) at the level of the inguinal ring

(FIGURE 2).

Note that a surgeon will normally tie each twice: Once as a tight loop around, and once as a loop around and once as a loop through so it can't slip off (ligated and suture ligated) . . .

The cords, once cut, have a tendency to pull back inside the abdominal cavity, and if they have not been tied, or have not been tied well enough and start bleeding, a trip to the Emergency Room so they can cut the person open so they can find the bleeders and fix 'em is a real likelyhood.

Enough to ruin one's whole day . . . 🙄

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Re: Cords tieing

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2002 3:33 pm
by Mac (imported)
Aren't the cords and veins also cauterized after being tied and cut for further assurance?

Re: Cords tieing

Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2002 10:45 pm
by Tomas (imported)
Mac (imported) wrote: Thu Nov 28, 2002 3:33 pm Aren't the cords and veins also cauterized after being tied and cut for further assurance?
In my experience, yes.

The guide I published on my page is extracted from an illustrated surgery text that was designed to hit the high points as simply a reminder / general guide for experienced surgeons. All the normal small stuff such as cauterising bleeders and such was left out as anyone qualified to do these various surgeries should already know that. Heck, even a vet would. ;)

It's sort of like when I used to write tech manuals for the old Bell System on the installation and testing of data curcuits. I would tell the tech to make an adjustment to such and such control, but I wouldn't tell him how to use the screwdriver needed to make that adjustment. "(1) Grasp the #2631 screwdriver by it's yellow plastic handle, pointy end away from you. (2) Place the . . . " :D

These surgery guides are just a checklist of the high points. "Wash your hands after using the restroom" is assumed. :)

Aside: Since my surgery was done using a local anesthetic (I insisted on being awake - just some anti-anxiety stuff) I was aware, in a general sense, of the tugging and activity down there (I didn't watch). One thing that DID get my attention was every time he Zappppppedddd something. I could feel that all the way up to my chest. *twitch* It wasn't painful, but it was decidedly weird feeling. 😲

Re: Cords tieing

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2002 4:11 am
by Alex (imported)
But what about another ways of castration? For example, burdizzo method... If I can understand right, the burdizzo clamp breaks the cords inside of scrotum, tearing the balls free. So, the blood should run inside the scrotum?

Or the method descibed in the story "No balls and loving it" - where the boy cuts off his balls along with the scrotum...

Re: Cords tieing

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2002 9:28 am
by A-1 (imported)
...is the medical term that is given to stanching the flow of blood from "bleeders" (mostly arteries, but sometimes veins) when doing a surgical procedure.

In most instances this means using a cautery device to effect cauterization.

There are methods of doing this chemically, but in involves alum based compounds. In some instances the vessels can be "scraped" until severed and clots will form in addition to causing a "vascular spasam" from the trauma involved.

This latter mechanism is why many who suffered traumatic amputations do not beleed to death. Physiological mechanisms provide for hemostasis.

The rule is that the sharper the instrument is that cuts the less pain is involved and the more bleeding occurs because less damage is being done.

Bottom line is that unless you know what you are doing do not perform any surgical procedures. If you manage not to kill them with your clandestined modification then you may introduce infection to the site that will do it later, more slowly and painfully.

🚬 A-1 🚬

Re: Cords tieing

Posted: Mon Dec 02, 2002 5:53 pm
by Dave (imported)
a burdizzo doesn't tear the cords, it just crushes them. Hopefully it crushes the nerves and blood vessels so well that they can't heal, but in humans that's hard to do and may not be successfull.

When they do vasectomies, they cut the cords, bend the ends 180 degrees, and then sew them off to prevent them from growing back and thus regaining the ability to procreate.

Dave