I am looking for one rather famous eunuch

I am wondering if anyone knows whether one of the most famous eunuchs of the last century is still alive. And, if he is alive, how is he doing.

The person I am trying to locate was the subject of an article by Dr. Ned Kalin in 1979 in the prestigious Journal of the American Medical Association. At that time the guy was 22 years old. So, if he is still alive, he should be about 45 years old today.

What made him so famous was his commitment to self-surgery. Not only did he castrate himself, but he attempted both to immunize himself against his own adrenal glands and, when they didn’t work out, he attempted to do an adrenoectomy on himself. Kalin’s report ends describing how this person was "spending hours in the medical library preparing for his next “curative” operation.”

If anyone has any information on this person since 1980, I would appreciate hearing it.

EU

I read the story in an article by Money in issue 1.1 of the Journal of Sexual Psychology that Money helped to found. I think the guy was in the Baltimore area. Money died several years ago.

Dr. John Money did not die several years ago. I know because I had email from him less than a month ago!

However neither he nor Kalin know anything more this famous eunuch. They both lost contact about 20 years ago.

In general one of the great mysteries of modern euncuhdom is: Where to the guys go? How come so many, who do self-surgery or go to street cutters, like Gelding disappear ? Do they (we) die young, become reclusive, go on supplemental androgens, transition to female, get locked up as psychos etc.?

I wonder for example, how many, if any, people are on this list who castrated themselves or used street cutters, more than six years ago, are NOT transsexuals? Could dozens of these people just disappear--or are street cutters inflating their stats?

Gelding has not disappeared. I was in contact with him by email only a couple months ago.

I think the real question, is why do you expect them to be obvious? A Eunuch goes on with his life, that's all. Once their desire for castration has been accomplished they are at peace and can concentrate on other things in their life.

Hi Split,

I didn't mean that Gelding had disappeared! [I too had email contact with him in the last few months.] I was referring to his clients.

You may be right that his customers (and those of other street cutters) all went away happy. But I would like to hear that from a few of them. On the internet I can contact a herd of wannabees. BUT I hear too little from people who sought self or street castration other than as TSers) to be comfortable believing (without testrimony) that "

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2002 10:44 am they are at peace and can concentrate on other things in their life.

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Remind me: Did you do your own castration or use a street cutter?

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eunuchunique (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2002 11:24 am I hear too little from people who sought self or street castration (other than as TSers) to be comfortable believing (without test

imony) that "

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2002 10:44 am they are at peace and can concentrate on other things in their life.

" I think that result may indeed be a part of the problem with the lack of feedback.

With people I've known with the sort of, uh, "drive" toward some sort of single-minded goal, once the goal is reached the drive toward it is finally dissipated and the "problem" resolved. They no longer have a tremendous interest in reaching that goal, because they have finally reached a point where they are at peace with that portion of their psyche by accomplishing their goal.

One finds this sort of pattern in many endevors, and most certainly amongst our sort of group.

As just small examples: An employee of mine, Scott, married, two teen kids, good job as engineer, late 30's finally reached a point where he could no longer bottle up his feelings that he was in the wrong body and living the wrong life. Scott/Kathleen got involved with real-life and on-line TS groups and was very visible and noticible for a few years.

To make a long story short, Scott transitioned while working for me and post-op Kathleen was a somewhat wild, middle-aged matron who still more or less advertised her transition. After about a year and a half, though, Kath sort of "got over" that tremendous release and excitement and calmed down to being a very nice calm lady whom you might never guess was ever anything else.

These days only those few who "knew her then" or who for some reason must know now are aware. Kath certainly doesn't bring it up. She's no longer involved in any transition groups - she's moved beyond them.

Bill is another example. He's just a castrati, but like many was a constant annoyance about it until he finally reached that point. For several months after "reaching his goal" he was still excited and vocal about it, but quite quickly calmed down and, with his goal now reached, faded into the background. He no longer brings it up and no longer has a need or desire to associate with those who have not yet gotten there. He's calm, relaxed, pleased, and living comfortably for many years now.

I suspect that those who remain "active and visible" in transition groups or interest groups after reaching their goal are really the odd ones (and yes, I include myself).

They possibly have unresolved issues or relish their "15 minutes of fame" or enjoy the notariety. If so, they stay, but eventually even they seem to finally wear out.

Myself, I've always been a trainer and resource person. Aside from being a damned fine engineer I ran seminars for our newer engineers, wrote tech manuals, helped establish national standards, taught classes, and was the person whom many came to to ask the oddball questions that others were either to busy to answer or didn't have an answer for.

I've followed somewhat the same path in my "transition."

Even I, though, have withdrawn quite a bit from the transition and/or interest groups - the interest just isn't here for me anymore. My reason for still being around at all is to pass on information, to be at least a small resource.

I'm not active 'round here, I'm not involved with any of the activities, I don't know the players anymore. I've been there, done that, got the tee-shirt.

I just haven't burned it.

Yet.

It is getting rather threadbare, though . . .

Bottom line? I think the reason we don't see the long-time-past-transition folks milling about in the groups is that they have satisfied their needs, killed their demons, gained a "normal" life and a good deal of balance, and no longer are interested in what goes on here.

Comments?

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Hi Tomas,

I like your response. Meanwhile I still would like to know if the self-surgeon from 1979, who tried to remove his adrenal glands, is still alive.

You may not recall, but we talked about two years ago

When did you decide to grow the beard? You didn't have one on the cartoon picture of yourself on your website.

Here's a new question: I be curious to know if you, as a nullo (I'm not one), take supplemental androgens? You are the only nullo that I have, to the best of my knowledge, ever talked to. So you are the only one I can ask. It would seem to me that a nullo would really suffer on supplemental androgens. However, if you don't take supplements, what do you do to protect bones and muscles?

EU

Thomas, I think you are right on the money for most of what you said. I think once the need it gone so is the person needing it. There are us few that continue to stick around, its not for the desire to be castrated, we have already done that. Both here and in the chat room I have found friends like me. Lets face it folks we are in such a minority most of us fine anther person in here for the first time in our lives, we have found our own kind. It would be hard to walk away from some of the best people I have ever met, yes were weird but so what. This is our home.

Bones and muscles are a different problem and one that each eunuch is faced with that does not take a hormone supplement. I am one of those. What I need to do is take a calcium supplement I currently take 1000 mg per day and a good workout every day. Eunuchs need to see there medical internal medicine doctors on a regular basis and follow there instructions. Being a eunuch has some wonderful benefits and some draw backs, anyone going this direction needs to understand and except both.

eunuchunique (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 22, 2002 1:44 pm I be curious to know if you, as a nullo (I'm not one), take supplemental androgens? You are the only nullo that I have, to the best of my knowledge, ever talked to. So you are the only one I can ask. It would seem to me that a nullo would really suffer on supplemental androgens. However, if you don't take supplements, what do you do to protect bones and muscles?

Good questions.

I didn't take any hormones foe a few years until it was found that my bone density was going down. At that point I was put on a low level of testosterone, but for whatever reasons my body did not react well to exogenous "T." After much discussion and hand wringing (by the medical types, not me) I was put on a very low level of estrogen.

That may seem really odd, but there are a number of good reasons for it. Not only is it less psychologically active than "T" (aggression, anger) it has shown itself in recent studies to be much more protective of bone mass than "T." Are there any side effects? Yes. There is a slightly increased danger of blood clotting problems, there is a slight increase in the shift of fat to the lower abdomen, hips, thighs, and chest, and there is a possible slight increase in emotionality.

Actually, as far as physical changes, it is interesting to watch my chest. When I'm on a little bit too high a dose of "E" I can adequately fill a "B" cup, when it is smaller, but still enough to help with bone mass retention, I couldn't even do justice to an "A" cup. (BTW: The "B" versions were also much more sensitive to touch/play, and were essentially an unexpected bonus erogenous zone . . . )

So, am I on HRT? Yes I am. Does it appear to help retain bone mass? Yes. Are there any negative side effects? Yes, increased propensity to blood clotting. Are there any unexpected good side effects. Yes, added sexual play enjoyment.

I also take supplemental calcium, magnesium, and vitamin D, try to do enough weight-bearing exercise to keep my bones strong, and don't smoke.

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Hey Tomas,

Your endocrine status/treatment makes sense to me. Of course, if you are off T and on E--and you are a nullo--you have pretty well transitioned youself from male to female.

May I assume that the beard is a statement that you like to be viewed as still on the male end of the spectrum? [Beats having to worry about nail polish and shoe styles, doesn't it?]

EU