http://www.eunuch.org/Alpha/W/ea_15653white_eu.htm

The above is a link to an alleged online Russian news story that is for real. The page has since rotated stories, and I was unable to locate it there. The link contained therein is real, though, but I cannot vouch for the validity of the story reposted to EA.

Tonight, I received an email from a concerned member stating that there were stories - which I have not heard yet - of young college guys being abducted recently.

If anyone has any commentary or link to the subject, please share them here. Thanks. I for one would like to know if it's really plausible, or if it's a case for the guys at http://www.urbanlegends.com/

Very intresting,

Hum, I kept hearing rumors about a well respected European magazine running a story about modern day harems in the Middle East in the mid 90's. It was written by a female reported who, the story goes, coned her way into a sultan's harem. I hear the story was complete with pictures of the harem girls lounging around a pool in bikinis. There was even mention of eunuchs. Furthermore, there are several current books written by former Western wives of Mid-Eastern men. Stories of harems, eunuchs and Female circumcision abound. So, there is some validity to these harem rumors.

Given the current situation in Eastern Europe/Russia, vis a vi hyper inflation, staggering unemployment, and a total collapse in the justice syetems, anything is possible. From my travels to that region I can vouch for the kidnapping of females into sexual slavery. Yes folks it really does happen. In the Balken states, Eastern Europe, and Ukarine, girls are luered away from home with stories of jobs only to be led into slavery--serving as stripper girls/prostitues at bars and skin shops. I've seen girls with hideous tatoos on their shoulders and backs; emblems and branding of ownership. And you can bet that the underworld crime orgnizations are behind it all. (Oh and I was one of the good guys in my travels, working to uncover this stuff)

So, the leap is not that far that men would be luered away from their countries by a promise of jobs and opertunity, only to find that they are up the creek without any ballz! I would emagine that having a white eunuch would be a kind of status thing in the Mid-East. Old habits to die hard, there were numerous harems in that region through the early part of the 20 century.

I'll keep my eye out for more stories.

Got2 (have street smarts in this wacko world)

I know where my next holiday is gonna be!!!:D How much is an air ticket to Yemen?

I read the post with very mixed feelings about its possible accuracy. While certainly not impossible, the story seems quite improbable for a number of reasons. In not very logical order, I will point out some of the relevant information:

1) There is a long history of the use of Slavic (Russian, Polish, Czech, Serb, etc.) slaves in the Middle East: men, women, and eunuchs. They have been the preferred slaves for many purposes for 1000 years. Slavic eunuchs being the preferred guardians for the tombs of important men well into the last century. During the European Middle Ages, the city of Verdun (in modern France) was the most important source of eunuchs in the Middle East. Pagan Slavic boys were castrated there in large number for export. Later, Prague and Venice became the major sources for Slavic eunuchs. By the 16th century, the numbers had fallen off and they were imported from a variety of places within the Slavic world itself. Slavs provided a large number of the slaves used in Western Europe as well. The word "slave," in English is derived directly from "Slav." The article fits with this long-term preference for Slavic eunuchs.

2) Moslems in the Middle East have always preferred that their eunuchs be castrated young. David Ayalon, in his book Eunuchs, Caliphs and Sultans [see my review of it on the nonfiction board], reported that boys castrated at between 6 and 10 years of age were the preferred eunuchs. 12 was old. Certainly they should be castrated before puberty, not after. The article does NOT fit with this preference.

3) Ample sources of pre-pubertal male slaves HAVE been well documented in the contemporary Middle East. The sources best documented have been India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. There have been recent newspaper accounts (referenced on Eunuchs in the Arts and News) about the sale of young Afghani boys as well. Stories of African boys trafficked into the Middle East in recent years are rarer and poorly documented, though possibly true. (Trafficking of African boys prior to the mid-1960s is well documented, some of them imported as eunuchs.) That the United Arab Emirates AGAIN found it necessary to outlaw slavery on September 1 of this year points to its continued prevalence. (Keeping slaves will be punished by fines.) Slavery was last outlawed in the UAE in 1980. (Slavery was last outlawed in Saudi Arabia in 1963, though it has been well documented since.) The issue of Anti-Slavery Reporter which arrived in yesterday's mail pointed out that some of the slaves known to have been trafficked into the UAE were boys as young as 4.

4) While there is ample evidence of these young slave boys being used as camel jockeys and for domestic service, I have been able to find only a single credible report of any slave boys being castrated since the mid-1960s, and that in Sudan (two boys in the early 1990s), not in the Arab world. Given the large number of boys involved in the slave trade and the secrecy surrounding slavery, it is certainly NOT impossible, but there are plenty of outsiders looking for contemporary evidence of the castration of slaves.

5) Rumors of the castration of boys to serve in harems of the Middle East have been reported from many areas. Only a few years ago, it was widely reported that street boys in Brazil were being kidnapped for sale in Saudi Arabia. No clear evidence of the truth of the rumors was ever reported, though there is some circumstantial evidence. Similar rumors have been reported from many other places with large numbers of street children with no credible evidence of their truth.

6) I see no reason why Saudis or Yemenis would suddenly seek sturdy young ADULT men to castrate for their harems with the number of prepubertal boys available both already in the Middle East and potentially from places where they would not likely be missed. There are even blonde, blue-eyed street boys in Eastern Europe if that is the preference. If there were a real demand for Slavic eunuchs, I suspect that Russian gangs would be filling it with 8 and 9 year-olds boys. That Russian gangs are trafficking women and children into Western Europe for prostitution is amply documented.

While I have not yet received my copy, COLORS Magazine will dedicate its November issue (number 53) to the continued presence of slavery around the world. See www.colorsmagazine.com

In the beginning:

> The poor Slovak guy did not have a permanent

> residence in his native country. He sold his apartment

> and traveled across Europe - spending nights at the

> railway stations, hitchhiking, even begging sometimes.

In the end:

> Most probably I shall try to find a job as a

> harem guard in Egypt or in Libya. There I shall get good

> money

It does seem that although the experience was traumatic, maybe things will improve for this guy now.

1. Is there a community of Middle Eastern people in Minneapolis/ St. Paul? If so, are any of them foreign national on visas, expired visas or illegally here?

2. Here's the BIGGIE...

3. Was there any DRUG connections with the disappearances?

4.....Or, worst of all, a serial killer may be loose in the area.

I would suspect that #3 is the most likely scenerio, however, serial killers are getting more and more common. If it is a serial killer most probably it is a male.

Female serial killers are very very rare.

I really doubt if the Harem story will hold water. It would be too easy to get caught trying to smuggle somebody out of the country.

It would be much easier to get someone from a country closer to the Middle East where the chances of getting caught are less and the bill to get them to a location in the Middle East would be cheaper.

Guys, your imaginations are working overtime

A-1

Ha!

I have seen things, very bad things, in my travels. I'd rate the potential of this story being true at somewhere between 45 and 65%. Without any background documentation or evdience, I'd say we have to treat the story as dubious, but not far fetched. Which is what most of us have done.

There are many "outlaw" areas in the world today where all kinds of shit takes place. Did you know that in some places a man will sell his daughter for $5000 or less? Women are mostly the targets, but why do we not accept that males could also be victems? Just check the headlines comming out of the Royal Palace in England.

Jesus makes several important, and accurate, points about eunuchs in history. Here is one more: The Barbery Pirates of Northern Africa in the 19th century. With the Napoleonic Wars raging in Europe, these Arab pirates prayed on merchant shipping in the Mediterranian Sea along with the occasional raid on a weakly defended costal town. Guess where all the little girls and boys taken on these attacks ended up? Yes, there is a long tradition of keeping young caucasian boys as eunuchs in harems in the Middle East. Sultans enjoyed the subjugation of the hated infidels. Oh, and acording to Islamic Law, the castration of "belivers" is forbiden. No wonder black and white boys were therefor cut into eunuchs!

Just more of my 2 cents,

Got2

Just to interject a note of caution here -

There's no evidence that these disappearances are even related to one another, much less anything like a foreign country or person rounding up harem eunuchs.

Again, keep in mind that we are talking the Minneapolis/St. Paul Minnesota area in America. Not Europe, not Africa, not Asia and not even the east or west coasts of the U.S.

A couple whose son disappeared was on the early show on CBS today and they described the circumstances of their son's disappearance. He was a college student in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area. I understand that all the young men who have disappeared were college students from that area. This is a switch. Usually it is young women who are disappearing.

It seems that the boy in question was at a party with a girlfriend at a Lone Star resturant and he was locked outside dressed only in costume. They did not say what kind of costume.

Sure sounds like the work of a serial killer to me.

I would imagine that the local newspapers in that area has a story by now. It seems they found a fragment of a feather and some blood that was believed to have came from the boy.

A-1

** Edited By Bboy **

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