So i think i can already feel LooseThems' eyes rolling! One of the more difficult things about being castrated is the loss of T. Having tried chemical castration, i have both enjoyed and suffered the effects. What are the problems with surgically "tucking" both, or removing one and tucking the other? This would enable the natural production of T and the removal of the scrotum. I know there are higher incidents of testicular cancer with undescended testicles, but not a guarantee. So does anyone know of this being done, or why it categorically can not be done?

My eyes are not rolling. On the contrary, I find your question relevant and though provoking.

It has come up here before, and I think the consensus then, at least among members of the EA, is what you've pretty much said above; that it's possible, but potentially problematic.

Cseriess (imported) wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:12 am So i think i can already feel LooseThems' eyes rolling! One of the more difficult things about being castrated is the loss of T. Having tried chemical castration, i have both enjoyed and suffered the effects. What are the problems with surgically "tucking" both, or removing one and tucking the other? This would enable the natural production of T and the removal of the scrotum. I know there are higher incidents of testicular cancer with undescended testicles, but not a guarantee. So does anyone know of this being done, or why it categorically can not be done?

A question that occurs to me, and I DON'T know the answer, but might be worth investigating before looking at this sort of procedure is what the result would be in terms of T production....

I know that sperm production shuts down if the testicles are to warm (either because of clothing or fevers) to the point when the GF and I were attempting to do the baby thing, I was advised by a fertility doc to switch from briefs to boxers in order to keep things cooler... I have heard that guys w/ both testicles undescended have seriously low sperm production.

What I don't know is if / how much T production would be impacted by permanently tucking the balls back inside. Seems like it wouldn't offer much benefit to do so if the warmer climate shut the factory down...

This is purely speculation on my part, but it seems like it might be worth looking to see if there is even any research that might be relevant.

WheelyCurious

Well thank you LT! Some surgeons seem a lot more adventurous in the surgery options recently. WC, i know warm testicles are often blamed for low sperm count in men, but i haven't seen anything about its effects on T. I will try searching. If it did lower T, that would be an even better result!

https://academic.oup.com/humrep/article ... 49/5066758

This study says the opposite!

Cseriess (imported) wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:12 am So i think i can already feel LooseThems' eyes rolling! One of the more difficult things about being castrated is the loss of T. Having tried chemical castration, i have both enjoyed and suffered the effects. What are the problems with surgically "tucking" both, or removing one and tucking the other? This would enable the natural production of T and the removal of the scrotum. I know there are higher incidents of testicular cancer with undescended testicles, but not a guarantee. So does anyone know of this being done, or why it categorically can not be done?

I know that the testicles are "outside" of the body because they actually need to be cooler than the body's standard 98.6° for optimal testosterone production. So, that could be a reason too.

That said, I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV.

grapesoda19 (imported) wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:40 pm I know that the testicles are "outside" of the body because they actually need to be cooler than the body's standard 98.6° for optimal testosterone production. So, that could be a reason too.

That said, I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV.

It would appear tight underwear increases T.

Cseriess (imported) wrote: Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:12 am So i think i can already feel LooseThems' eyes rolling! One of the more difficult things about being castrated is the loss of T. Having tried chemical castration, i have both enjoyed and suffered the effects. What are the problems with surgically "tucking" both, or removing one and tucking the other? This would enable the natural production of T and the removal of the scrotum. I know there are higher incidents of testicular cancer with undescended testicles, but not a guarantee. So does anyone know of this being done, or why it categorically can not be done?

What do you want to achieve by removing only one testicle or both or "tucking" only one? If you remove only one, the other increases the T production. The one testicle will fully compensate for the loss, in my opinion. In any case, I don't recall any research reports that the T-value dropped to about 50 per cent when removing only one testicle, for example, in unilateral testicular cancer. If you tuck one or both testicles further up and remove the scrotum, the risk of cancer will increase significantly. But this idea is not outlandish to maintain natural testosterone production, lower it and make the scrotum disappear. I just don't think it will work. Unfortunately.

One testicle is enough to produce all the T and spermatozoa for a "normal" man. Like about 3% of the population I've been living on one testicle for all my life. It just get bigger and compensate for the absent one. On the other hand a tucked gonad will reduce it's procuction of T compromising the good quality of sperm cells. But nature had more trick to unbalance problems and after 4 to 6 weeks of warmer environment, new proteins, protecting the leyding cells (in charge of T and sperm cell production) are secreted and the production start almost as normal. It's this mechanism that explain the fact that in very warm country man can still have children.

The idea of the removal of one testical was purely about thinking it might be easier to find space to surgically "tuck" one testical rather than two. One testical will pick up the slack and do the work of two. I have not been able to find anything about the actual increase of testicular cancer if one was surgically held up. I wonder what the risk is compared to the health risks of being castrated. If it were to become cancerous then just remove it.

Cseriess (imported) wrote: Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:11 am It would appear tight underwear increases T.

I did not know this. They always said that boxers (and other loose fitting underwear) promote testosterone production.

Then again, doctors have said eggs, dairy, carbs, red meat, and so on will kill us (then not, then will, then not again), so who knows.