I have just been reading the WPATH SOC 8 (draft) and see good things and notice that in connection with my experience and needs, some things are not mentioned. I have some questions/concerns that the list below addresses.

1) How I presented to the medical community as hating my testicles and needing castration was not mentioned. That is, I inflicted injury but not with chemical injections but by inflicting physical damage with metal objects etc. Yes it did hurt.

2) I believe that I present as Male to Eunuch but also with a strong leaning toward Male to Female. However at my age, and since I do not want to have sex ever again, I do not need to transition in all aspects to Female. I do however prefer having female genital appearance rather than nullo/smooth. I have always been very minimal on having friends. I don’t like that, but it is not very likely that I will have some kind of active social life that presents as Eunuch/Female. Fortunately I do have this community and a Trans Woman friend from elsewhere and a couple other people who know me and about me. Maybe I have this aspect covered.

3) I do not want estrogen though I considered it previously. I’m at an age where I no longer want to engage in sex so the need to be a functioning female is not necessary; I also have a family that i want to remain somewhat non very female for; And I have physical health conditions that make getting blood clots more likely; Plus I don’t really see a connection between needing to be on estrogen and having a female looking genital area. that look is only for me. i don’t want to share it with anyone else.

4) My main question is Does SOC8 address my needs? Do you think it does or doesn’t? To me it seems sufficiently vague for me that I might qualify or might not. I’m wondering if anyone has seen anything that makes it possible according to SOC8 for me to qualify for the surgery (penectomy and zero depth vaginoplasty) I need. One aspect that might qualify me is that I might harm myself in the future trying to perform self surgery or to facilitate the needed surgery. I realize I cannot make every change I’m looking for on my own, but I am resourceful and that does present danger. I’m not boasting about this but in my life over many years I have found myself in self harm situations where the need to get it done so greatly outweighed the need to be safe that I did do things that put me in the hospital. I’m not really eager to have that happen again, but my mind is still active in achieving certain changes. I do have the potential to do damage that I think needs to be avoided.

My family understands that I need these changes as a safety measure. That is how they see it. I don’t really know if they are as much on board with the feminizing aspects that I might want if I were younger, and I am ok with not being on estrogen for that reason. And like I said, since I will not be having sex, I do not need functioning genitals. I just don’t want the look of a male or nullo. I am not going to share my female look with my wife or anyone. That does work for me and our situation. I am wondering what will happen. I have to see the trans people soon (Sept) which seems likely to be just after SOC 8 is released (hopefully).

I’m wondering If anyone has seen any points in the SOC8 that will support my needs that I might have missed. I’m not looking forward to being told No again… that I can’t get the surgery because…

Any answers/ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

I'd read the non-binary chapter in your case, perhaps the answer is there.

I'd also wait for the SOC 8 to be published before asking these questions.

Losethem (imported) wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:58 am I'd read the non-binary chapter in your case, perhaps the answer is there.

I'd also wait for the SOC 8 to be published before asking these questions.

Maybe i was just assuming (shouldn’t assume, i know) that by Sept it will be published. Admittedly I’m kind of anxious. I blew up (on the phone) at my therapist just the other day because now and then things seem so uncertain. Trying to stay calm, but this is really a tormenting thing for me. I will take a look at the non’binary. thanks!

dee2essohkay (imported) wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:09 am Maybe i was just assuming (shouldn’t assume, i know) that by Sept it will be published. Admittedly I’m kind of anxious. I blew up (on the phone) at my therapist just the other day because now and then things seem so uncertain. Trying to stay calm, but this is really a tormenting thing for me. I will take a look at the non

’binary. thanks!

Given the big WPATH meeting coming up, I'd be VERY surprised if it wasn't published at or before the event... At least per what LT, Jesus and others that are in the know have said, there aren't any major stumbling blocks to get in the way, and it would seem to me like poor planning to not make a big splash of it at the meeting.

I would also agree w/ LT that the non-binary chapter is important. Between it, the Eunuch chapter and a lot of bits and pieces scattered through some of the other chapters I'd say that if SOC8 doesn't meet your needs, I don't know what would...

Note that it is important to read ALL the explanatory text, not just the 'Recommendations'... The recommendations are simply summaries and may not sound like they fit you, but the explanatory text which goes through all the research that lead to the summary... As one specific thing, they in the recommendations, they call for certain waiting times and sequential steps (i.e. chemical castration), "Unless there are reasons" to speed things up, which are largely unspecified... But if you go down to the explanation text, concerns about possible self harm are mentioned as one of the reasons....

WheelyCurious

WheelyCurious wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:36 pm Given the big WPATH meeting coming up, I'd be VERY surprised if it wasn't published at or before the event... At least per what LT, Jesus and others that are in the know have said, there aren't any major stumbling blocks to get in the way, and it would seem to me like poor planning to not make a big splash of it at the meeting.

I would also agree w/ LT that the non-binary chapter is important. Between it, the Eunuch chapter and a lot of bits and pieces scattered through some of the other chapters I'd say that if SOC8 doesn't meet your needs, I don't know what would...

Note that it is important to read ALL the explanatory text, not just the 'Recommendations'... The recommendations are simply summaries and may not sound like they fit you, but the explanatory text which goes through all the research that lead to the summary... As one specific thing, they in the recommendations, they call for certain waiting times and sequential steps (i.e. chemical castration), "Unless there are reasons" to speed things up, which are largely unspecified... But if you go down to the explanation text, concerns about possible self harm are mentioned as one of the reasons....

WheelyCurious

thanks. i can write (way too much) but I struggle with reading. so I'm struggling with 8.

I have a good feeling about what's coming but I still can't understand how I was sent home from the hospital, repaired so many times in my life. and approved to harm myself again, rather than just having the cause eliminated when they had the chance. spent so many years that way.

I'd really love if I can just end the nightmare once and for all and finally start to live.

dee2essohkay (imported) wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:55 pm thanks. i can write (way too much) but I struggle with reading. so I'm struggling with 8.

I have a good feeling about what's coming but I still can't understand how I was sent home from the hospital, repaired so many times in my life. and approved to harm myself again, rather than just having the cause eliminated when they had the chance. spent so many years that way.

I'd really love if I can just end the nightmare once and for all and finally start to live.

You are absolutely right.

This disease can be cured surgically.

But still, please be patient.

Valery_V (imported) wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:24 pm You are absolutely right.

This disease can be cured surgically.

But still, please be patient.

thanks. yeah ! what is it now, 3 weeks til the psych. I'll be patient for that !