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To give a background, i am a young early 20s absolutely tired of being slave to desire. I am seriously "religious", but for the life of me cannot stop the lustful thoughts, actions, and feelings that torment me every day. To make it worst, illict activities are getting more and more harder to deny in your day to day life!

Honestly, i feel like a builder who keeps building a beautiful house, only for it to be torn down constantly by my sexuality and lusts. And i have many years of abstinence, and am not attracted to love and such, so whats the point? Anyways, ive been wondering how to go about the process of casteration.

Ive considered casteration for a very long time. But now i think this is truly the answer. My only issue is the apparent feminization/issues when not taking T or E. Any natural eunechs out there? What happens if you go without any hormone supplements? I know you can offset osteoporosis with calcium supplements, but is that true or a placebo?

Without any t or e supplements, what will happen? If i ever decide to fully remove my nuts, i will not want to be replacing T with Estrogen, and i would not want to take any T, since i just removed my own.

Im looking for testimony's for those who are natural. What are the affects it has done to your body, without testostirone or estrogen? Is it manageable for 20+ years?

How did eunuchs survive all the centuries before TRT?

Of course you can and men do it every day.

From all that I've read, there are a lot of folks that have done 'hormone free' but that DOES result in some feminization, although just how much varies a lot between individuals. There are also all the historical eunuchs that obviously survived hormone free (though I suspect there was probably a lot of 'natural selection' starting with who survived the operation, and then how many might have died early of the side effects - info that doesn't seem to be recorded)

However reading here, there are also a great many folks that have tried hormone free and ended up using some sort of HRT, whether T or E based.

In terms of the osteoporosis question, it is a VERY real and major concern, arguably one of the biggest ones. Calcium and D3 supplements are helpful in delaying it and should be regarded as essential, but they will NOT totally prevent it, so again this is another reason for HRT

WheelyCurious

Wheely is absolutely correct that the most important consideration must be osteoporosis. In intact males, the body changes some of the testosterone to estradiol, which is the hormone that protects the bones and keeps hot flashes at bay. It’s not the testosterone itself, but the estradiol (estrogen) that’s made from it. A small (generally very small) dose of estradiol via a skin patch will do the job.

The life expectancy of historic eunuchs (wherever we have data) shows that they lived longer than intact males. Recent research has shown that testosterone produces aging of the chromosomes and shortens life. Those castrated before puberty lived an average of 12 to 15 years longer than intact males.

The death rate from the surgery was also not very great, even in a time with no antibiotics and rather primitive surgery. For the Italian castrati it was so small as to be not noted. It was considered to be routine surgery with a rapid recovery. In China, where castration also included penectomy, it was recorded at 3% to 5%. The extremely high rates usually reported for Africa have been debunked as flat out wrong. If they were true, slave traders would have lost a fortune for every eunuch slave they sold. The real rate was probably about the same as China. For removal of only the testicles, the death rate was probably even less than that of domestic animals, where it is nil.

Prostate cancer feeds on testosterone and there are more than a half million men in North America who have been castrated as part of their treatment for the disease. Most of them are on chemical castration drugs, but an increasing number are choosing surgical castration, which has fewer unpleasant side effects.

Do we have any idea why the historical eunuchs lived longer, given no hormone replacement therapy? (and probably a somewhat marginal diet by at least some modern standards) Nothing in the historical stuff I've looked at suggests that the H.E's got anything special in the way of diet or medical care or diet once they recovered from surgery, and while there were many notable H.E.'s my impression was that except for the castrati, most were slaves or sufficiently peasant class that they were probably doing fairly heavy labor....

My understanding of osteoporosis is that it's progressive in that if unchecked you keep losing bone density until fractures become a constant issue. I would imagine that a eunuch slave that had a serious fracture would not get much in the way of medical care, even by historical standards. I know that hip fractures are a major risk factor for elders with osteoporosis today, and patients suffering them have a pretty poor prognosis with even modern care.

So how did the historical eunuchs make it to live longer than the intact males without being done in by fractures?

WheelyCurious

JesusA (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 5:47 pm In China, where castration also included penectomy, it was recorded at 3% to 5%.

It was only in Qing Dynasty from 1644 to 1912, castration included penectomy in very young boys, the boy is tied down on a wood bed, where scrotum and penis were sliced by a sharp knife; the wounds were not sutured, but sprayed with ash, urethra was cathetered with wheat straw, no food and no water for three day. Mortality was high. Before Qing Dynasty, even in 94 BC, the scrotum of most famous historian Sima Qian was cut off by the order of the emperor, mortality cutting off scrotum alone was low.

I'm giggling at the 20+ years comment because of your age. It makes me curious if you're planning to die at age 43? I can most certainly assure you, at that age you'll still be able to do most anything. That's midlife, if you're lucky you'll live longer than that.

slarror1234 (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:35 am I know you can offset osteoporosis with calcium supplements, but is that true or a placebo?

There is some evidence that calcium supplements are associated with increased cardiovascular risk, so dietary calcium (such as dairy and dark green leafy vegetables) may be preferable. Weight-bearing exercise seems to be quite important in reducing osteoporosis: walking or running, not cycling or swimming. Vitamin D3 supplementation is recommended for bone health as well as general health, especially for those with darker skin, who live in higher latitudes, or otherwise do not get enough sun exposure. All the bone health medical advice given to postmenopausal women is likely applicable to no-T eunuchs. I am not a physician; no-T eunuchs should discuss bone health with their physician, as I did. I already had marginal osteopenia before I became a eunuch. I have another DEXA scan scheduled for later this year.

seanthomas (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2022 3:34 pm How did eunuchs survive all the centuries before TRT?

This is the question that I've been considering for quite a while. However, in "all the centuries" the average lifespan was a lot lower than it is now. If you lived to be 65, that would be average, and osteoporosis likely wouldn't have been an issue. For those of us who hope to live into our 80's and beyond, we may need to rethink this.

I would suggest to the OP that an anti-androgen medication—something to lower the body's testosterone level—would be a better choice, at least initially. Orchiectomy is an extreme measure and non-reversible.

Anyone with concerns about osteoporosis should do some research on vitamin k2. K2 promotes bone calcification while discouraging calcium deposits in the cardiovascular system. It can be hard to get enough in our modern diet and the only good food source that I know of with significant amounts of k2 would be eggs. 2 eggs a day will give you your RDA. You can also take as a supplement.