I am not sure if this post fits here. I am sure the powers that be will move it if need be.
I have been around EA since at least 2004, a long time and I have done some fairly off piste and crazy things. I am lucky to still be alive for those things, let alone the illness that has overwhelmed me in recent years.
Today, I was chatting to a really cute young guy who told be he wanted to become a eunuch. He had lost one testicle in a CBT session where it 'popped' caused hospitalisation and removal, With dire warnings that he could lose the other of not careful. He was asking me for advice. Ironic given my history and penchant for doing extreme things to my genitals.
As I get older, I worry about younger people and this mad mad world that is far removed from me being on the Isle of Wight as a 10 year old with hippies when Bob Dylan was gigging there.
I simply asked him the question as to whether he knew what the long term effects of castration were. He did not have a clue and yet looking to give up his second orb to anyone who would take it an a CBT session and wanted his scrotum removed for the look.
When I spelt it out for him he decided that he wanted to keep his testicle.
It made me stop and think about my own crazy journey and also the fact that there are young guys out there willing to give all to please a Master/Mistress in a kink session with no idea about what they are getting in to and 'Owners' male and female who are willing to take the offering with full knowledge of the facts, but for their own perverse desires choose not to enlighten the sacrificial offering. I personally find that sickening.
I just wonder if there is any research into the numbers of this kind of thing happening? Probably not. However, EA has some eunuch masters of knowledge and research that come up with a wealth of data from the bowels of the earth.
It is all very well doing some of the things that I and others have done, taking the knife into our own hands with knowledge of the facts and risks. It is quite another when people are beguiled by hormones to enter into this contract. To me, now considered elderly, these young, cute, adorable, horny guys are like lambs to the slaughter.
What does EA think? Am I way off the mark here or is this an issue that needs education and informed decision making. Or am I just a silly old babbling eunuch cat?
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jcat (imported) wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:26 pm I am not sure if this post fits here. I am sure the powers that be will move it if need be.
I have been around EA since at least 2004, a long time and I have done some fairly off piste and crazy things. I am lucky to still be alive for those things, let alone the illness that has overwhelmed me in recent years.
Today, I was chatting to a really cute young guy who told be he wanted to become a eunuch. He had lost one testicle in a CBT session where it 'popped' caused hospitalisation and removal, With dire warnings that he could lose the other of not careful. He was asking me for advice. Ironic given my history and penchant for doing extreme things to my genitals.
As I get older, I worry about younger people and this mad mad world that is far removed from me being on the Isle of Wight as a 10 year old with hippies when Bob Dylan was gigging there.
I simply asked him the question as to whether he knew what the long term effects of castration were. He did not have a clue and yet looking to give up his second orb to anyone who would take it an a CBT session and wanted his scrotum removed for the look.
When I spelt it out for him he decided that he wanted to keep his testicle.
It made me stop and think about my own crazy journey and also the fact that there are young guys out there willing to give all to please a Master/Mistress in a kink session with no idea about what they are getting in to and 'Owners' male and female who are willing to take the offering with full knowledge of the facts, but for their own perverse desires choose not to enlighten the sacrificial offering. I personally find that sickening.
I just wonder if there is any research into the numbers of this kind of thing happening? Probably not. However, EA has some eunuch masters of knowledge and research that come up with a wealth of data from the bowels of the earth.
It is all very well doing some of the things that I and others have done, taking the knife into our own hands with knowledge of the facts and risks. It is quite another when people are beguiled by hormones to enter into this contract. To me, now considered elderly, these young, cute, adorable, horny guys are like lambs to the slaughter.
What does EA think? Am I way off the mark here or is this an issue that needs education and informed decision making. Or am I just a silly old babbling eunuch cat?
You raise some serious questions that do deserve some answers. When I first looked at this post, I thought NO. But then it percolated for about 30 seconds, and I said YES this needs to be here with much discussion. Please respond one and ALL
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It seems to me that nothing can be done about this phenomenon. The intervention of those in power, who can only prohibit, and are unable to give in return, can significantly worsen the situation.
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Hopefully some of our younger members will respond.
Not to drop names, but someone I just recently met had something to say about certain aspects of this subject.
In fact, Jesus A. and I discussed it a bit, later that night, about a select group of a younger age that often expresses interest in castration. The main concern of our discussion was: "Do they know what they're getting into, if nothing else, in regards to having low testosterone and the side effects?"
Our concern is that, no, they do not.
And that's troubling.
Not to drop names, but someone I just recently met had something to say about certain aspects of this subject.
In fact, Jesus A. and I discussed it a bit, later that night, about a select group of a younger age that often expresses interest in castration. The main concern of our discussion was: "Do they know what they're getting into, if nothing else, in regards to having low testosterone and the side effects?"
Our concern is that, no, they do not.
And that's troubling.
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The only way to resist is through open discussion!
Young people have questions. It is necessary to give qualified answers and explanations of doctors to these questions, as well as give specific examples.
Young people have questions. It is necessary to give qualified answers and explanations of doctors to these questions, as well as give specific examples.
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Being called upon in my young experience. The internet is teeming with those that only wish to see you hurt yourself. A couple of occasions I myself was caught up in these instances, probably why the orbs I had ached all the time. At first it felt worth it, they were giving the encouragement I needed to do the the work on myself. Each time though I ended up realizing there was nothing in return for me, but pain and after care. I would end the relationship and move on looking for a new owner worthy of those large nuts, but I never found it. All I found were people looking for painpigs that like hurting themselves. I got tired of so called masters/alphas/doms and decided it wasn't for anyone else but me, I wanted it more than anything. 15 years of obsessing over giving them to someone else ended with me getting them removed by a local surgeon for myself. Really helped with a lot of body issues I was having. Like I was never good enough for a real owner.
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I think there's a lot of complexity in this. Guys (like me) who have or have had dreadful testicular pathologies since a young age or for a long time are often looking for a positive spin on the situation (because stoicism without joyful exploration is like eating toast with nothing on it). I've chatted to a lot of guys who lost their nuts through cancer, accidents, torsion etc who'll chat about this in private to someone who knows what things going wrong feels like, but medical lack of agency can be a very corrosive thing to have front and centre in a public identity for a lot of people.
So, we have a sexual culture of celebration of diversity and acceptance of all sorts of fantasy tropes and social-contract-pageantry that set up relationships and experiences that are exciting and life-affirming, but someone seeing that is not necessarily going to appreciate that this attractive and abundant space is more complicated than they think it is.
The big problem is, what is the difference between on the one hand someone who is encouraging someone to get surgery and not asking questions about that person's knowledge and motivations because they are respecting, perhaps, that person's agency and the framing they need to feel valuable... and on the other hand someone who keeps the suggestion implanted and buoyant because they just see the other person as an opportunity to march all over the newly-fallen snow?
My general stance is that personal autonomy is the most important thing, but beyond that there is a question about access to honest advice and information. There are two cultural causes for alarm. The first one is our situation embedded in Late Modernity. As a result of intense industrialisation, mass production, global connection and education, people are trapped in a feeling of alienated transitory meaningless. The search for community and meaning causes all sorts of problematic effects from cultural asset-stripping to fast fashion and substance addiction. Secondly, we live in a global and connected world, but different cultures have a different relationship with allegory and symbolic languages. Putting it bluntly, some people are more vulnerable to taking fantasy and pageantry at face value, interpreting therapeutic phenomena as something different.
This kind of mixture of social factors means a lot of people finding the BDSM and power exchange scene as their latest great chance to exit Late Modernity's disenchantment, and thus injecting into it the spiritual intensity of some other Late Modern project like a tent at Burning Man or a year living off porridge in Bali. I fear this influx of people are vulnerable to persuasion against what they would choose were they to really consider how they would ideally construct their lives given the resources they have (or could imagine having).
By contrast, a lot of the BDSM scene as we know it has developed in specific explainable social historic contexts. Homosexuality in Europe was associated with the Barbary Coast slaving states where it was legal for a few centuries when gay men were hanged or imprisoned in Europe, and so North Africa was a place to flee to if you were gay up until just about living memory (it is even a plot point in the novel Brideshead Revisited). Gay safe houses in England traditionally had the same name as North African slave quarters - bagno. The concept of giving up liberty, or facing alienation (rejection in this case) from family and community to find somewhere of sexual freedom where you might have to start at the bottom rung has stuck with modern LGBT and leather families. Today, the more familiar symbol of natal alienation and found family is the pet dog... so lo and behold, we have the pageantry of pup play on the scene, against the wider social context of LGBT rejection and homelessness, a wage gap and problems with securing LGBT elder care.
Bodily modifications are a lot more serious than dressing up or general cathartic bodily exploration when it comes to trying to engender a sense of commitment and insurance within a new social contract organisation or personal relationship - but how do new people know what is or is not a reasonable price 'on the door'?
It's for this reason sites and communities like this are incredibly valuable, sometimes uncomfortably doing the necessary work of talking plainly about things as well as giving space for the attractive self-branding, esteem-boosting activities and attitudes we all need to get what we need from life. In addition to the moral imperative, the fact that if there are regretters and victims of abuse the happily testiculated majority will squeeze the espirit de corps and self esteem from anyone different, perceiving us as a social threat, is a strong reason to put the work into contextualising the bright lights for new people who - like all of us - are immersed in Late Modernity.
It is not a theoretical threat. A person who regretted a transition in adulthood has recently brought a court case in the UK that has been hugely destructive to trans rights in this country, and violent hate crime has skyrocketed.
One of the big fears we have is telling people the wrong thing - what if I participate in encouraging someone to do something they regret because I was trying to be kind and supportive to them?
On the whole I've always been struck by a qualitative difference between people who are truly tuned-in to their situation in their mind, their body and the world, be that regarding gender, artistic expression, or health, versus those who aren't. Partly it is that they are consistent, insistent and persistent, but often so are people who are drunk on the possibility of re-enchantment or some magical thinking that if they reach some passport point they will unlock a better life (on the basis of variable evidence or promises of dubious value). The bigger part, though, is how banal and unsensationalised the issue is for genuine people.
It is that point where I think the centrality of social media culture means the people who are most intoxicated with enthusiasm get the most exposure, and I suspect these people are actually the ones who need to do the most work on themselves.
It is all quite depressing. The way to protect people from fantasies and misreadings is to shout "it's a play!" every few minutes, but it destroys the Shakespeare... especially when I think a lot of all of us are trying to ditch the majority's demand that we be forced to perform wretched victimhood all the time for the crime of being different or encountering different life circumstances. But if the deliberation is left to society's majority, things get even worse for us.
Anyway, all that navel-gazing essentially loops back to saying that this site itself is the healing for this issue, but you feel down about bad things that happen, for heavens' sake remember it's a sign of the times and much bigger on the structural level than we can ever be expected to solve.
So, we have a sexual culture of celebration of diversity and acceptance of all sorts of fantasy tropes and social-contract-pageantry that set up relationships and experiences that are exciting and life-affirming, but someone seeing that is not necessarily going to appreciate that this attractive and abundant space is more complicated than they think it is.
The big problem is, what is the difference between on the one hand someone who is encouraging someone to get surgery and not asking questions about that person's knowledge and motivations because they are respecting, perhaps, that person's agency and the framing they need to feel valuable... and on the other hand someone who keeps the suggestion implanted and buoyant because they just see the other person as an opportunity to march all over the newly-fallen snow?
My general stance is that personal autonomy is the most important thing, but beyond that there is a question about access to honest advice and information. There are two cultural causes for alarm. The first one is our situation embedded in Late Modernity. As a result of intense industrialisation, mass production, global connection and education, people are trapped in a feeling of alienated transitory meaningless. The search for community and meaning causes all sorts of problematic effects from cultural asset-stripping to fast fashion and substance addiction. Secondly, we live in a global and connected world, but different cultures have a different relationship with allegory and symbolic languages. Putting it bluntly, some people are more vulnerable to taking fantasy and pageantry at face value, interpreting therapeutic phenomena as something different.
This kind of mixture of social factors means a lot of people finding the BDSM and power exchange scene as their latest great chance to exit Late Modernity's disenchantment, and thus injecting into it the spiritual intensity of some other Late Modern project like a tent at Burning Man or a year living off porridge in Bali. I fear this influx of people are vulnerable to persuasion against what they would choose were they to really consider how they would ideally construct their lives given the resources they have (or could imagine having).
By contrast, a lot of the BDSM scene as we know it has developed in specific explainable social historic contexts. Homosexuality in Europe was associated with the Barbary Coast slaving states where it was legal for a few centuries when gay men were hanged or imprisoned in Europe, and so North Africa was a place to flee to if you were gay up until just about living memory (it is even a plot point in the novel Brideshead Revisited). Gay safe houses in England traditionally had the same name as North African slave quarters - bagno. The concept of giving up liberty, or facing alienation (rejection in this case) from family and community to find somewhere of sexual freedom where you might have to start at the bottom rung has stuck with modern LGBT and leather families. Today, the more familiar symbol of natal alienation and found family is the pet dog... so lo and behold, we have the pageantry of pup play on the scene, against the wider social context of LGBT rejection and homelessness, a wage gap and problems with securing LGBT elder care.
Bodily modifications are a lot more serious than dressing up or general cathartic bodily exploration when it comes to trying to engender a sense of commitment and insurance within a new social contract organisation or personal relationship - but how do new people know what is or is not a reasonable price 'on the door'?
It's for this reason sites and communities like this are incredibly valuable, sometimes uncomfortably doing the necessary work of talking plainly about things as well as giving space for the attractive self-branding, esteem-boosting activities and attitudes we all need to get what we need from life. In addition to the moral imperative, the fact that if there are regretters and victims of abuse the happily testiculated majority will squeeze the espirit de corps and self esteem from anyone different, perceiving us as a social threat, is a strong reason to put the work into contextualising the bright lights for new people who - like all of us - are immersed in Late Modernity.
It is not a theoretical threat. A person who regretted a transition in adulthood has recently brought a court case in the UK that has been hugely destructive to trans rights in this country, and violent hate crime has skyrocketed.
One of the big fears we have is telling people the wrong thing - what if I participate in encouraging someone to do something they regret because I was trying to be kind and supportive to them?
On the whole I've always been struck by a qualitative difference between people who are truly tuned-in to their situation in their mind, their body and the world, be that regarding gender, artistic expression, or health, versus those who aren't. Partly it is that they are consistent, insistent and persistent, but often so are people who are drunk on the possibility of re-enchantment or some magical thinking that if they reach some passport point they will unlock a better life (on the basis of variable evidence or promises of dubious value). The bigger part, though, is how banal and unsensationalised the issue is for genuine people.
It is that point where I think the centrality of social media culture means the people who are most intoxicated with enthusiasm get the most exposure, and I suspect these people are actually the ones who need to do the most work on themselves.
It is all quite depressing. The way to protect people from fantasies and misreadings is to shout "it's a play!" every few minutes, but it destroys the Shakespeare... especially when I think a lot of all of us are trying to ditch the majority's demand that we be forced to perform wretched victimhood all the time for the crime of being different or encountering different life circumstances. But if the deliberation is left to society's majority, things get even worse for us.
Anyway, all that navel-gazing essentially loops back to saying that this site itself is the healing for this issue, but you feel down about bad things that happen, for heavens' sake remember it's a sign of the times and much bigger on the structural level than we can ever be expected to solve.
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This may well be the most important thread on the Forum. Thank you.
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jcat (imported) wrote: Sat Sep 04, 2021 1:26 pm Today, I was chatting to a really cute young guy who told be he wanted to become a eunuch. He had lost one testicle in a CBT session where it 'popped' caused hospitalisation and removal, With dire warnings that he could lose the other of not careful. He was asking me for advice. Ironic given my history and penchant for doing extreme things to my genitals. ...
This may well be the most important thread on the Forum. Thank you.
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TopManFL (imported) wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:30 am This may well be the most important thread on the Forum. Thank you.
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Thank you. I really care about young people. With so much misinformation out there, I see a real lack of critical thinking. It has taken mec18 years to post something meaningful!
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You have put this down eloquently. This is what is churning in my mind. I have feeling very lonely of late and joined some chat groups relating to extreme mods, castration ..... just looking to engage a bit. It quickly became apparent that I was entering into a very dark world where infatuated youth, searching for meaning in their racing hormonal state are literally being herded like cattle to various forms of amputation. With no knowledge, just driven by Testosterone. I was chatting last night again to a really good looking, intelligent guy who wants to nullified like a 'Ken Doll' because he is driven by surging Testosterone. He was really appreciative of my wisdom. I hope he comes back to chat more. He had no idea that to be horny as he'll and want hump anything that moves is a normal experience if youth. He thinks he is abnormal and should curtail it. I feel a moral responsibility to stick around some of these groups, because when they know I am a eunuch they want to chat. It is an opportunity to ask some searching questions. Maybe, some of us should become Eunuch Angels to try and get some thinking going on in this your kids heads.