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On Comments

Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:51 pm
by jman0001 (imported)
There's been a lot of requests and grumbles about comments on stories of late, especially the lack of them, so here are some tips on how to increase getting comments for your stories, or at least, more helpful ones.

1. A short request for comments is good. The longer the request is, the more begging there is, especially if the story itself is short the less likely someone will comment on it.

2. Be specific about what sort of comments you would like (or not.) A lot of times people don't comment because they're not sure what to say, how to say it, if anyone will care if they say it, or it's not on their mind what they would say. Some key things to mention:

a) Do you want critique or not? If you're just writing for fun say that's your goal, and you'd just like to know if people liked the story. If you want to work on your skill as a writer, say that you would like critique and if you can be specific as to what kind, what you've been working on in regards to your skills, and again if there's something you don't want critique on, mention that.

b) Ask if people critique the genre of story that they do it respectfully. In this case genre is referring to "castration" or "circumcision" or "straight CBT" types of categories. This one is a little trickier as it's often something people don't think about--do I like/dislike the type of story, or this one in particular. To help that, ask people if you'd like to hear what they think about these types of stories, or be clear that you don't want to hear about critiques on the genre. You might say for example that you like gay stories and that's all you'll write, so don't leave comments asking you to write straight ones.

c) Mention if your first language isn't English (assuming the story is in English.) Especially if you're asking for critique on the story, ask that people do or do not critique your language skills as well. If you want to mention other impairments that can affect your writing, dyslexia for example, that can also help a commenter to know what critique to avoid.

d) Ask about particular elements of your story that you would like people to comment on. If they liked a character, the setting, the pacing, the immersion, anything that you've been working on that you want to know how the audience is perceiving it.

3. If it's not your first story, thank people for giving comments on previous stories. You don't have to be specific, but that helps.

4. Tell people a bit about your situation, briefly. If you've been writing a long time, if this is your first story you've ever written ever, if you used to write and now you don't, something along those lines. It will help anyone writing critique know if they should be easing up on something harsher they want to say, and help people who see an effort from a first time writer for example know they should be laying on heavy encouragement.

And remember, the comments, ratings, views, favorite amounts, etc. these are all representative stats. For every comment you get there's a lot of people who read the story and liked it but didn't know what to say, liked it but lurk a lot and don't comment or talk a lot anyway, people who didn't like it but because it's not their cuppa not because the story was bad, and so on. Every rating and comment is a human being who looked at your story and had thoughts about it, and some of those human beings will likely read it more than once given the niche nature of the archive. Don't base the worth of your story on how many stars it has or how few comments you think it got. All fiction archives have much lower numbers of comments to views, not just this one, and not just you. Even a single comment is someone who liked your story enough to tell you.

And for those leaving comments, keep the above in mind as well as:

1) Don't tell an author a story is bad because you don't like the type of story. Rarely but often enough someone will write a new story in the comments saying what they would have wished for instead. If the story wasn't to your preference, don't tell the author that you'd have preferred that a gay story about castration should have been a straight story about nullification, for example. Tell the author what you did (and didn't) like within the genre of the story.

2) Be reasonable with your critique.

3) If there was something particularly memorable or striking about a story, be sure to leave a comment saying that you liked that particular detail.

4) Never be afraid to leave multiple comments. If it's your third or seventh or twelfth time coming back to read a particular favorite, let the author know! Even if you've left a comment before.

5) Did you leave a harsh comment before, and now you feel guilty about it? Apologize! It goes a long way, and it will mean a lot.

6) The author always wants to hear from you (unless your views on the story are completely negative, anyway.) If you feel like no one will care about the comment you leave, you are absolutely wrong. The author will like the comment, and even people reading the story will like to see what other people thought about it too.

7) Comment on older stories! I believe there was not a comment system in place before a few years ago, so the older stories need comment love too.

8) And lastly, a comment is better than no comment. Even if you can't think of anything to say, just saying you liked a story is better than saying nothing at all.

Re: On Comments

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:09 am
by Paolo
These are excellent suggestions. Thanks.

Sadly, over the years we've lost quite a few good authors here from lack of feedback. As I've said before, it's always been a problem here. Oddly enough, from what I've seen on other sites like ASSTR and Nifty, it's not really a problem. Given the hit count and the amount of data transferred per month, we've certainly got the traffic going on.

Re: On Comments

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:44 am
by kwanmingmin (imported)
Paolo wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:09 am These are excellent suggestions. Thanks.

Sadly, over the years we've lost quite a few good authors here from lack of feedback. As I've said before, it's always been a problem here. Oddly enough, from what I've seen on other sites like ASSTR and Nifty, it's not really a problem. Given the hit count and the amount of data transferred per month, we've certainly got the traffic going on.

I think the problems here are:

(1) The comment function in story archive is not too visible to unfamiliar users. Most people just ignore it.

(2) The discussion forum (which I think is more attractive) is separated from the story archive. Authors need to go back and forth to check any discussions on their stories.

Re: On Comments

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:34 am
by jman0001 (imported)
This thread is about content of comments and how to ask commenters for helpful feedback/prompting commenters on what to say. Issues with the format of the archive are a completely different matter.

Re: On Comments

Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:42 pm
by The Maintaner (imported)
:) I like to read 2,3or so chapters be fore I commit on a story. I think some authors give up to soon.They may have a good story however they just give up.Please don't give up!🙏

Re: On Comments

Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:10 am
by TopManFL (imported)
The Maintaner (imported) wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:42 pm :) I like to read 2,3or so chapters be fore I commit on a story. I think some authors give up to soon.They may have a good story however they just give up.Please don't give up!🙏

That is so true. Many of the stories actually have a great middle and end. Yet, the way the story is outlined can have the beginning of the story containing way too much "setup".

I also agree that the comments and ratings are not that obvious. In addition to the description of the story, it would be nice to have a standard request to rate the story and comment on it at the bottom of the story.

One last point. Many stories would be just as good - if not better - if they started with the main character watching his first testicle fall into a bowl of ice in the procedure room. Then, have him remember as a flashback why he was in that room. Or the doctor removing his junk could explain the soon to be unhung hero what he'd done or what law required him to be there. It gets to the "good stuff" quicker and doesn't leave out the ability to craft a world in which such things happen.

As was pointed out above, if the reader quits reading after the first two paragraphs, the odds of getter a comment go way down.

Re: On Comments

Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:15 am
by cutnbulls2ox (imported)
I m guessing the biggest reason men, primarily, don t comment on these stories is simply being embarassed to admit in print to what secretly turns them on and why it does. Few men can share these sexual turn ons with anyone else, for fear of being accused of boning up to and enjoying weird stuff. This website proves how many tens of thousands of men and women do enjoy these body modification stories !

Re: On Comments

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:13 am
by jman0001 (imported)
TopManFL (imported) wrote: Sun Apr 19, 2020 10:10 am Many stories would be just as good - if not better - if they started with the main character
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This is exactly what I mean by writing a story in the comments when the story is not exactly to your tastes. This is a very specific scenario that would work for only very few stories, and presenting as s
cutnbulls2ox (imported) wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:15 am omething that would make many stories better is false.

I m guessing the biggest reason men, primarily, don t comment on these stories is simply being embarassed to admit in print to what secretly turns them on and why it does. Few men can share these sexual turn ons with anyone else, for fear of being accused of boning up to and enjoying weird stuff. This website proves how many tens of thousands of
men and women do enjoy these body modification stories !

It's likely not the biggest reason, since the internet allows people to have pseudonyms. The secrecy of it all does certainly mean that comments are all the more important, though.

Re: On Comments

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:09 pm
by The Maintaner (imported)
jman0001 (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:13 am This is exactly what I mean by writing a story in the comments when the story is not exactly to your tastes. This is a very specific scenario that would work for only very few stories, and presenting as s
omething that would make many stories better is false.
jman0001 (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:13 am It's likely not the biggest reason, since the internet allows people to have pseudonyms. The secrecy of it all does certainly mean that comments are all the more important, though.

I agree there are many reason comments are or are not made.

Re: On Comments

Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 8:19 pm
by littleeunuch (imported)
But this begs the question what the comments section is supposed to be used for. Given this (sub)forum has "Feedback" in its title and is certainly better geared towards comments which might, with hindsight, turned into (somewhat lengthy) discussions, it is rather hard to envisage a use-case for the comment feature. My own feeling is that comment shouldn't be in the stores page, and the multiple comments is worse than multiple posts in this forum (at least here it is more organized).