My own preference is for stories where the male is unwilling. I do not usually enjoy very much stories where the male wants to be cut. This is simply my own preference. Other people with an interest in this sort of material don't care about the willingness of the subject and others prefer stories where the male happily participates and desires his loss.

I was thinking recently of these sorts of erotic stories as stories and I wonder if there isn't, in a way, a bigger difference between these two types of stories than first appears.

A story has, by one way of looking at it, three things. You need:

1. A protagonist who is at least somewhat likable, sympathetic, or relatable;

2. That character wants something--a goal or strong desire; and

3. That character overcomes obstacles to get what he or she wants.

Of course, in the vast majority of stories (whether told in books, movies, TV shows, plays, myths, et cetera) have "happy endings" where the protagonist prevails and gets what he or she wanted (or, sometimes, something a little bit different, but even better). Tension happens when the character is put in danger or faces threats to accomplishing their goal. Of course, we all know that Indiana Jones is going to escape the Temple of Doom or that Harry Potter isn't going to be killed. But there's still tension when they're put in tight spaces and face long odds, and those are typically some of the most exciting and memorable scenes.

Obviously, erotic fiction is a bit different. There the goal is, at least in significant part for most people, sexual gratification, excitement, or stimulation, which doesn't necessarily require a good story necessarily. No doubt, often people have started reading an erotic story, got what they needed out of it, and didn't finish it but were very satisfied with the story.

It seems to me that it would be more difficult to build tension in a story with a willing male participant. If the guy wants to be cut, but for some reason fails at getting cut, he can just try again and get cut later. The stakes for him are low. Maybe a certain situation would be a more erotic way to get cut, but all he risks losing is having to settle for a somewhat less erotic cutting a bit later in the future. Whereas a man who doesn't want to get cut faces much, much higher stakes. So when he is put in a tough spot (where his risk to being cut increase greatly) he has a lot more on the line than a willing man faces when his risk of not being cut increases, since he can just get cut later on.

This is not to say that either type of story is either more enjoyable or better in any way. Just that perhaps the writer of a story with a willing male faces different challenges, as a writer, in generating tension than does the writer of a story with an unwilling male, for whom it seems quite easy to generate threats to the man.

I don't spend a lot of time reading many stories with willing male subjects, so maybe I'm off base here. I would be interested to hear anyone else's thoughts on this, if anyone finds anything here worthwhile to respond to.

(Also, in the large majority of the stories here, the guy, willing or not, does get cut. But the fact that we usually go in knowing at least that bit about how the story is going to end does not in itself eliminate tension. After all, we know the hero is going to beat the bad guy in the vast majority of stories we experience. And, again, obviously erotic fiction has other purposes that are often at play than just mere entertainment or storytelling.)

Interesting post.

I think the conflict in a willing man s story is will he go through with it or back out at the last minute, can he endure the pain, and will he be happy with the results after he is cut in the immediate act and then has to live his life changed forever after. Can he accept and handle those changes and consequences or will he be forever mourning his losses ?

The willing men stories remove the forced cutting. Which some readers find too offensive or frightening. One conflict is how to get his desire carried out, do it himself, or get someone else to do it ? And that conflict of finding a willing person to cut him and who is able to do it successfully and safely. Lots of conflict in admitting to himself and to his cutter that he really wants this done ! And that he wants the whole life that comes after being cut.

I m guessing men who get off on cutting split on whether they prefer to cut a willing man or an unwilling man in their fantasy desires.

The unwilling man stories probably allow more men to imagine themselves as the hero and getting what he really wants done to himself, but won t admit to wanting. Being forced lets the hero off the hook to get his desires fulfilled without ever having to admit he wants it done. He can blame his cutter and play the victim.

A truly unwilling man and his cutter obviously have all kinds of conflict in both minds. Did he do something to trigger or cause this ? How will he live and have sex after ?

The cutter has to justify cutting another man. And worry about revenge from his victim or his victim s friends, family, and lovers, and legal prosecution. Will his victim survive or die from his wounds ? The cutter s worries can apply to both willing and unwilling men that he cuts.

The men have friends, family, lovers, kids, all impacted by what happens to the cut men. All possible conflicts for both willing and unwilling men and in how others will react to the hero during and after his being cut.

Lots of possible twists and turns in both willing and unwilling man stories.

Other people persuading or coercing the hero into being cut or the cutter into doing the cutting add more possible unknown twists and turns.

And after the cuts, what happens with all involved ? Do they need emergency medical care and the legal authorities getting involved ? Will he get the emergency care he needs or die from his cuts ?

What s going on inside the heads of all of the main characters and how the whole situation occurred holds a lot of readers enjoyment and curiousity in these stories. Why is he willing ? Why is he unwilling ? What is motivating the others involved ? Do they get what they sought and wanted in the end ?

And how many times does a willing man get a willing cutter to do him in the way he is seeking ? Not so easy or certain to be able to recreate at some future time if his desires require a certain cutter, timing, or circumstances that can t be duplicated at some later time. Jump now or miss your chance to ever recreate a certain kind of once in a lifetime scene.

All possible unknowns and plot twists that readers might enjoy and not expect and how characters might surprise readers at any time during these fictional stories. Unpredictable characters can change a story in endless ways and keep readers guessing.

Just a few thoughts on a subject and your post that should be very interesting to the people reading, writing, and enjoying the archive stories.

Man, do I talk way, way too much or what ? Longer than I thought this would be for sure.

R_Spencer (imported) wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:13 pm It seems to me that it would be more difficult to build tension in a story with a willing male participant. If the guy wants to be cut, but for some reason fails at getting cut, he can just try again and get cut later. The stakes for him are low. Maybe a certain situation would be a more erotic way to get cut, but all he risks losing is having to settle for a somewhat less erotic cutting a bit later in the future. Whereas a man who doesn't want to get cut faces much, much higher stakes. So when he is put in a tough spot (where his risk to being cut increase greatly) he has a lot more on the line than a willing man faces when his risk of not being cut increases, since he can just get cut later on.

Hey @R_Spencer,

You are right. There is a different dynamic when the male undergoing genital modification wants it done instead of being forced to do it.

There are ways to still build in suspense (or tension) that make a story interesting.

1. A contest where all the males in the contest have agreed to nullification or castration. Perhaps the prize in the contest is great enough that the risk of becoming a nullo is worth gaining the prize. The anxiety each male feels goes up as the number of participants in the contest lessens the number of participants.

2. Reluctant willingness. A cheating male is given a choice between getting castrated or getting a divorce. At first, he might be determined that losing his nuts isn't worth staying in the relationship. Slowly, what he'd be giving up is revealed to him. He's reminded that the money, the car, the house have all been put in a irrevocable trust and that his aggrieved spouse controls the trust. At the end of the story, he is begging to be castrated. The reader is left not knowing if his spouse gives in and nuts him or leaves him penniless on the curb.

3. Frustrated willingness. A protagonist that hates his genitals (or balls) and wants them gone. First, he tries to find a doctor to remove his unwanted bits and pieces to no avail - perhaps he doesn't pass the therapy sessions or perhaps he can't afford the fees. Then, he goes to the underground "cutters" and just as the slice is about to happen the police burst in and arrest him and the cutter. To avoid jail time he testifies against the cutter and from that point on, he can't find any cutter that will work with him. He tries the do it yourself approach but, fails. He ends up in the hospital where they save all his parts. His family is concerned with his welfare and has him committed. He's medicated heavily to a point where he complies with the order not to harm himself but, still, that deep burning desire to have his "junk" removed is there. As he transitions back home he is required to be tested to make sure he's taking his medications. Eventually, since he has no money, the hospital and therapist release him and he tapers off his medications. Broke and with a record that will never allow him a medical castration, he is left deeply wanting nullification and yet unable to achieve his goal. He starts hanging out at hardcore leather bars looking for a Dom to take him on as a sub, he advertises on fetlife, starts a microblog and all to no avail. Despite his constant craving to get rid of his ugly genitals, it seems hopeless. Then, he meets a man in a truckstop bathroom who promises to fulfill his wishes. When he shows up at the appointed place is it set up to castrate him or is it a police sting? Maybe the reader never finds out?

I have to admit, recent changes have made me rethink being here. I lost all of the toes on my left foot due to a diabetic lesion that infected.

my favorite stories usually were like the recent one where kids could choose to become Eunuchs, or stories of Slaves who were Gelded. stories that went past that fence earned disapproval from me. not in to penectomy, especially not into post-Gelding torture, (there have been stories where a slaves teeth were knocked out after being cut. No thank you. Take the twins and leave willy alone. just my thought.

The beauty of choice is you can ignore the stories you don t enjoy and concentrate on the ones you do.

There is enough on here to satisfy all tastes and preferences.

More important than 'willing' or 'unwilling' is the 'why', the reasonableness of the underlying plot and the development of characters so that their actions are 'believable'. In fact, the more real the story seems, the more we relate to it. This is true no matter the genre.

Three short stories (unwilling, willing, undecided)

John captures Fred and forcibly cuts off his balls. Two months later, Fred is glad.

Fred convinces his best friend, John, to cut off his balls. Two months later, Fred regrets it.

Pickled balls for sale, no longer needed.

Does willing or unwilling matter?

I agree with you R_Spencer. There isn't much unwilling male castration fiction out there, and I also enjoy stories that use that type of character. It has an interesting theme to it. The Male hero trying to get through the story while the threat of his cutting is omnipresent. The threat of it becomes a unique danger to the hero as he tries to complete the story. Only at the end do we find out if he escapes castration or if he loses his testicles. Funny you mention Temple of Doom, because that's a perfect set up example. The cult's sacrifices involves the castration of it's victims. The Hero has to face the risk of meeting a similar fate if things go too bad. And at the bridge scene, does he make it out or does he end up a eunuch? Similar to what cutnbulls said. Its a way for Men reading to imagine themselves as the hero, not knowing weather they will be cut or not. With the hero being cut a way to have it and not have to admit it. It really could be used to add some real tension. Who here wouldn't feel the pinch reading a story where the hero risks emasculation and you don't know for sure(or do know) if he will escape intact or not.