Hi!

I am chemically castrated at the moment. I started Androcur one month ago, and added Raloxifene some 5 days ago.

I want to know what is your experience with negative castration effects? I just discovered that being quickly out of breath if I have to do something more physically intense is extremely disturbing, and could be reason to stop my 3 month chem castration trial. With everything else I can cope. Almost. Brain fog is another problem that might be too much for me to cope with. But brainfog so far comes and goes. Hopefully it would not stay permanently.

My question is that, when you were at the beginning of your castration yourney you probably felt various negative effects. Were these effects temporary, or worsened over time? If out of breath effect was temporary, how quickly it got better? Any experience would be helpful.

Hi, I stopped my chemical castration twice before because of the shortness of breath. It became so bad that I was having to catch my breath just from doing normal everyday things. I recoverd very quickly after stopping and started on androcur again 3 months later, but with a lower dose. It took a couple of months to get bad again, but it did come back, but not as bad as the first time. I was taking a group of boys hiking in the Rockies, so I stopped again as I knew it would be bad at 10000'. I just started androcur again this week, lower and slower dose again this time in the hope i don't suffer from it again. We will see. Someone on here told me they thought it was a side effect of androcur, not the castration. I know a couple of people on here who have not had anything like that taking it. I loved the emotional, mental and the physical changes. The emotional and mental changes really changed my life. I loved being castrated! I would be at Dr A's office the first available Saturday if I could only convince myself 100% about a couple of things.

Hi!

erikboy (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:04 am I am chemically castrated at the moment. I started Androcur one month ago, and added Raloxifene some 5 days ago.

I want to know what is your experience with negative castration effects? I just discovered that being quickly out of breath if I have to do something more physically intense is extremely disturbing, and could be reason to stop my 3 month chem castration trial. With everything else I can cope. Almost. Brain fog is another problem that might be too much for me to cope with. But brainfog so far comes and goes. Hopefully it would not stay permanently.

My question is that, when you were at the beginning of your castration yourney you probably felt various negative effects. Were these effects temporary, or worsened over time? If out of breath effect was temporary, how quickly it got better? Any experience would be helpful.

It was a long time ago. And I may not have been as in tune with things as many folks are from what I read. Reason I say that is because after castration (and the healing of course) I can't say as I immediately noticed many of the things a lot of the guys here mention. Never notice shortness of breath nor did I ever notice what you mentioned as brain fog. That one I definitely experienced during and after chemotherapy treatment for stage 4 cancer of the sinus 8 years ago. So I do know what it feels like. Never had the hot flashes but then again I may not have known I was since I was in some very warm and humid climates for a good bit of time afterwards. Never took "T" replacement either. "T" has never been re-introduced to my body since removal of the two little turds that once hung below my groin. However, a year to year and half after being cut (and very active physically) I began noticing a loss in stamina, energy and some strength. As I was by myself in the middle of the high seas there were no other sets of hands to assure to the safety and rigors of life around me. (I was single hand sailing at the time) And those attributes I noticed slipping by in the wake needed some attention. I found myself in need of replacing hormones somehow. My choice was to replace the loss of "T" by introducing "E" which indeed brought back the loss stamina, endurance and strength. So with the negative effects of greatly diminishing a hormone somehow those negative effects can be mitigated if desired. I cannot speak to it but many say that introducing controlled amounts of "T" helps to ward off some of the negative side effects that you're experiencing. There are even some who never replaced loss of hormones and are not bothered by noticed side effects as many were what they hoped for. It varies greatly between different people so your experiences will often be unique to you although many are common to different degrees.

Begoneboy (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:32 am It was a long time ago. And I may not have been as in tune with things as many folks are from what I read. Reason I say that is because after castration (and the healing of course) I can't say as I immediately noticed many of the things a lot of the guys here mention. Never notice shortness of breath nor did I ever notice what you mentioned as brain fog. That one I definitely experienced during and after chemotherapy treatment for stage 4 cancer of the sinus 8 years ago. So I do know what it feels like. Never had the hot flashes but then again I may not have known I was since I was in some very warm and humid climates for a good bit of time afterwards. Never took "T" replacement either. "T" has never been re-introduced to my body since removal of the two little turds that once hung below my groin. However, a year to year and half after being cut (and very active physically) I began noticing a loss in stamina, energy and some strength. As I was by myself in the middle of the high seas there were no other sets of hands to assure to the safety and rigors of life around me. (I was single hand sailing at the time) And those attributes I noticed slipping by in the wake needed some attention. I found myself in need of replacing hormones somehow. My choice was to replace the loss of "T" by introducing "E" which indeed brought back the loss stamina, endurance and strength. So with the negative effects of greatly diminishing a hormone somehow those negative effects can be mitigated if desired. I cannot speak to it but many say that introducing controlled amounts of "T" helps to ward off some of the negative side effects that you're experiencing. There are even some who never replaced loss of hormones and are not bothered by noticed side effects as many were what they hoped for. It varies greatly between different people so your experiences will often be unique to you although many are common to different degrees.

Another thing that might be considered: Could there be a difference in the way the body reacts between naturally reducing "T" by removal of its production factory and artificially reducing "T" by introducing a foreign chemical into the body in order to fool the natural production factory? That is a question begging to be looked at to my way of thinking. Because you mentioned specifically "brain fog". I never experienced brain fog until such a time as some foreign chemical (cysplatin) flooded my body to kill cells (both healthy and not so much). That brought on a serious brain fog that lasted long after the chemical was no longer being put into my body. It did eventually wear off or perhaps I simply became accustomed to it so not to notice it anymore. Either case is fine by me since it no longer is an issue.

Hi Begoneboy. I am always fascinated by your story. As I just posted in another thread, I am most worried about not being able to continue my active lifestyle. I can just stop with chemical when the side effects get too much, but obviously not otherwise!. I am 55, 5'10", 148 lbs slim ( no belly). Just keep fit walking and being active, not been in a gym for 30 years. I have read on here it's not inevitable to suddenlyly pile on weight and become unfit just because o have my testicles removed, and the breathlessness is more than likely a side effect of the androcur drug rather than the loss of T. Any words of wisdom? ��

Cseriess (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:06 am Hi Begoneboy. I am always fascinated by your story. As I just posted in another thread, I am most worried about not being able to continue my active lifestyle. I can just stop with chemical when the side effects get too much, but obviously not otherwise!. I am 55, 5'10", 148 lbs slim ( no belly). Just keep fit walking and being active, not been in a gym for 30 years. I have read on here it's not inevitable to suddenlyly pile on weight and become unfit just because o have my testicles removed, and the breathlessness is more than likely a side effect of the androcur drug rather than the loss of T. Any words of wisdom? ��

"Any words of wisdom?" I'm certainly not the one to be asking that question since many on this planet consider folks such as myself (nullo) to be damaged sub humans.

And of course I consider myself to be rather superior to others of the species on some levels since I am neither male nor female. I've read twice now your age and size so it must be of some importance for you to be able to maintain a good healthy balance. Which is a great starting point when we are to embark on potential changes to our bodies. At 61 and 5' 9" I hover between the 145 and 155 on the scale. At times a bit less but haven't been a bit more in a LONG time. Have never even seen the inside of a gym so have no idea what is inside of them. I eat a well balanced diet of most all food groups. Not much can top a great steak or a well prepared bit of manna from the sea. And I must say that some of the wonderful fruits and vegetables so readily available could NEVER be substituted by anything artificial or out of a can. I admit I do not consume flour, sugar or salt as a rule. Never have during my life. The flour just seems to end up being filler to store pounds and salt truly acts like a traffic cop telling the kidneys to have the body park as much water in the stalls as possible. And SUGAR? Are you kidding me? if I want an energy rush I'll get it out of caffeine thank you. It doesn't give a fast spurt then run to hide in all the inner folds of fat to never come out and play again like the sugar.

Not being a medical student (all doctors are simply practicing in the end really, and students practice) I cannot say, but from personal experience I have found that reducing the production of a chemical in the body by removal of the factory has very different effects than introducing chemicals to the body. It doesn't seem that the body fights what it cannot find while on the other hand when it sees something new it like many people rejects it in ways we may not like. Foreign chemicals for example. So simply being prepared for unwanted side effects would be good advice for those who desire to travel down that fork in the road.

Thank you

Cseriess (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:27 am Hi, I stopped my chemical castration twice before because of the shortness of breath. It became so bad that I was having to catch my breath just from doing normal everyday things. I recoverd very quickly after stopping and started on androcur again 3 months later, but with a lower dose. It took a couple of months to get bad again, but it did come back, but not as bad as the first time. I was taking a group of boys hiking in the Rockies, so I stopped again as I knew it would be bad at 10000'. I just started androcur again this week, lower and slower dose again this time in the hope i don't suffer from it again. We will see. Someone on here told me they thought it was a side effect of androcur, not the castration. I know a couple of people on here who have not had anything like that taking it. I loved the emotional, mental and the physical changes. The emotional and mental changes really changed my life. I loved being castrated! I would be at Dr A's office the first available Saturday if I could only convince myself 100% about a couple of things.

Shortness of breath is a usually transient side effect of the Androcur/cyproterone acetate and is listed in the literature as a possible side effect. I got it when I started the med about the time I started to notice some of the anti-androgen effects. Pretty spooky when it happens but I got over it in a few weeks. I started with 25mg per day and gradually went up 25mg per day every two weeks. The literature says the dose should be increased gradually and withdrawn the same way, no cold turkey quit.

The only way low T is going to cause shortness of breath, is if you let yourself go physically and get out of shape.

Thanks. Great info.

Triptorelin, that works completely different way is also known to cause shortness of breath. Thus it remain unclear, whether shortness of breath is Androcur property, or is it typical symptom of sudden drop of T, or just symptomatic for low T.