I've observed that Shrinking of one's penis and testicles is such a common thread here. I'm wondering if it must go part and parcel with the castration fetish, and a desire to go back to an earlier period in one's life before the trauma of bad parents, school, puberty, farm castration, or other trauma set in?

Or perhaps it's an erotic target location error similar to autogynophilia. But with the added caveat that the targeting of younger persons is not possible. Contrast this where at least adult females are available to autogynophiles.

If there were a way to shrink things to one's satisfaction without surgery or drugs with terrible side-effects, then perhaps this is a valid theraputic option.

Given the complexities and irreversibility of full-blown MTF SRS, shrinking the male genitals seems trivial by comparison.

Especially since it could be mostly reversible if the person regretted the decision.

I've seen recommendations recently like equipois or estrogen + raloxefine which might achieve good effects without the bad side effects of androgen depravation, impotence, muscle loss, osteoperosis, on and on..

Has anyone ever really achieved success with shrinking things? did it help the disphoria? Or was it just a bump on the path to more aggressive changes?

Were the side effects tolerable when compared to the misery of Androcur for many people?

Given the current options of surgical or chemical castration, a protocol which allowed for MTYS would seem to be a great step in harm reduction to the otherwise virtuous sufferer.

There might not be enough interest in the medical community to perform studies on this, but perhaps if a few of us found a helpful drug protocol, and reported good results, then maybe this could be made into a sticky thread?

Why not a better mouse trap than the current options?

I don't see what to discuss here. Dreams that can never become true?

I can see the desire to return to younger times when life seemed simpler from today's perspective.

But, I can't help remembering when I was younger how often I couldn't wait to grow up. I thought adults got to do whatever they wanted whenever they wanted. That the adult life was carefree. I really didn't put together that adults had to earn money, pay the electric bill, pay the mortgage and taxes on the house, buy the groceries, cook the meals, and make sure the younger folks were fed, washed, sent to school and basically taken care of.

Nevertheless (why is that one word?), a desire to return one's body to that state would be different. So, if I understand, the question is this: "Is the desire to change one's body back to look younger a sexual identity"

My answer would be no. Not that I mean it's not a valid body modification desire, just that I don't see it as the same as MTF, FTM, MTE, MTN.

Mostly, because the desire is not to change gender but to look younger.

Hell, 'Muricans spend billions every year on creams, lotions, vitamins, plastic surgery and exercise to look younger.

I know fashions change and we've just been through a no pubic hair period, but that fits in the equation. Sure, some guys were removing their pubes to fit in at the gym or with their b/f or g/f. The fashion seems to have swung all the way back to damned near full bush.

But, pubic hair removal was to some more than a fashion. It was a fetish for sure. For many that fetish is just that, the removal of pubic hair looks better to them. Some see it as a Dom/sub mark, where the Dom has the sub stay shaved.

Pubic hair removal for a small percent most likely fits into this category of wanting to make one's body look like it did in a younger time. Maybe the Michael Jackson Syndrome?

(1) OK, yes, shrinking things would help. Is it even possible to safely shrink testes / scrota?

(2) I would not call this a gender / sex identity. TopManFL seems to get that part right: some degree of opposition to age-related changes is nigh universal; the weird part is not the direction, but the magnitude. It seems like a lot of people's self-image gets stuck around 16-30 or so. Mine got stuck in elementary school. But...

(3) I never liked revealing my gender online (or age). Mostly, I felt like sharing these things up front was like saying "please associate me with these categories and their stereotypes", and I'd rather not go there. The intersection of age and gender is a big part of this. I could easily imagine (mostly because I've heard anecdotes to this effect) someone experiencing dysphoria related to those expectations (pubescent male == horny mchornypants,, for instance), and assuming that the discomfort is gender-based rather than the stereotype being flawed or outdated. I never got along with what the 2010s identified as Toxic Masculinity, and I still experience the same age-related dysphoria that started after puberty, but it has no relation to my gender.

(4) But back to the question of shrinking Vs cutting, and reversable Vs permanent... Yeah, that is better. However, it's a small part of the overall issue. If it were shown safe, sure, I'd consider it. Ideally, I'd go back in time and try to find a researcher who would try to extract and preserve viable sperm from my severed prepubescent testes, on the off chance I somehow wound up both as a prepubescent eunuch and wound up in a position to reproduce.

I actually didn't even discover I had testes at all until I was 5 or 6. It was an interesting discovery, but not life-changing. They weren't exactly in the way at the time. Point is, resetting them to factory settings would be an improvement, but outright removal, all else equal, wouldn't bother me much. So far as Was concerned when establishing my mental image of my body, they weren't really there. I keep them around mainly because of a combination of permanence and the less pleasant side-effects (I'm not enthusiastic about weight-gain, Osteoporosis, or hotflashes, to name a few). And even my watchlist-baiting time-travel plot wouldn't make castration the solution. (Now, if we were talking about shrinking skeletons...)

("Severed prepubescent testes" is one of those phrases I would rather like to replace with something less ... that. Why does no better phrasing fit in that sentence? )

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chibifish (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:09 am . I never got along with what the 2010s identified as Toxic Masculinity, .....................................:

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Wow! That line about "Toxic Masculinity" has truly destroyed much of society. Why was it not Toxic Femininity? (The Feminist movement) After all it's about the same thing. And has all but destroyed a huge number of men's lives. Toxic Femininity has taken many children away from their fathers against their will and at the same time kept those men in the poor house and placed a lot of those men in jail who would never have been otherwise. Isn't it about time to rid society of these sort of wrong labels and the end results.

Begoneboy (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:50 am Wow! That line about "Toxic Masculinity" has truly destroyed much of society. Why was it not Toxic Femininity? (The Feminist movement) After all it's about the same thing. And has all but destroyed a huge number of men's lives. Toxic Femininity has taken many children away from their fathers against their will and at the same time kept those men in the poor house and placed a lot of those men in jail who would never have been otherwise. Isn't it about time to rid society of these sort of wrong labels and the end results.

There is toxicity in both sexes and both are pretty bad. No wonder men are staying single more than ever. Good for them. Rid society of all this garbage ASAP. My idea of a perfect society is to have everyone genderless and asexual. The human race would eventually go extinct but so what? The less people the better and the world would be a much better place IMO.