Too much plot for the movie and for a long movie, too much to explain.

Lots of noisy action sequences -- car chase, fights, nuclear explosions, lightning... shit like that

The first part of this version of Superman and Batman that the viewer has to understand is that it takes place contemporarily with MAN OF STEEL (the Henry Cavill Superman movie). The two movies are linked. Man of Steel took place in Metropolis but the visiting BATMAN from Gotham is there in the city and sees the destruction of that final battle. This starts with the destruction of the WORLD ENGINE. The destruction haunts him.

Also note that Batman (Ben Affleck) has visions — first one is of his childhood. Watch these visions carefully, two of the visions are from the future and foretell or foreshadow events in the next movie. (yes, I think it is sort of stupid to do that)… In one of the visions, Batman receives a message from the future about Lois from The Flash. In another vision Batman sees the destruction of the earth by Darkseide (Who? the villain of the next movie. I said it was stupid) Also the picture Lex Luthor has hanging upside-down is a premonition of Darkseide. That's why Lex says at times — "they are coming" in fear. Now back to the immediate story.

HOWEVER, the story revolves around Lex Luthor and not about Batman or Superman. Lex Luthor is the least explained character. He just seems goofy. As far as I can piece together from reviews and interviews -- Lex's father was abusive both physically and sexually, apparently. Lex is a very disturbed child... Oh, they didn't make the movie so it explains that the story revolves around Lex Luthor.

Sigh!

Society is unsure if having an indestructible savior like Superman is good. Lex uses those doubts and the amazingly awful destruction of Metropolis during the climatic battles of MAN OF STEEL to create a plot for his own good. Remember, he’s psychotic but not stupid. That's the tension of the movie -- is Superman really good for Earth? MAN OF STEEL never answered that question.

Luther feeds the paranoia. However, as messed up as he is, he has dabbled in the alien technology and he discovers that there are more aliens out there. Why? Because, the WORLD ENGINE revealed the earth to the rest of the galaxy. Superman being able to destroy the WORLD ENGINE was a red flag that no alien should mess with the earth. After all, Superman is indestructible.

When Lex Luthor’s plot destroys half the US Capital (or so it looks like the Capital Building) and results in Superman being blamed. All hell breaks lose.

Batman takes it on himself to destroy Superman and finds Krptonite. The finding of Kryptonite is also seen in tidbits from the start of the movie. He almost succeeds but Lex Luthor releases something created in the Krypton Birthing Chamber and they have to kill the or it will destroy the world.

Wonder Woman has been wandering through the movie pestering Bruce Wayne and she shows up Batman, Superman, and the Military at the point she appears with brackets and shield, sword and lasso. But the story didn't prepare the watcher of see that and appreciate it. That part of the story lost its impact thanks to the poor writing. She’s really spectacularly powerful.

In order to kill the beastly thing, Superman sacrifices himself because the creature is half-Kryptonian and nearly indestructible… SO the movie ends with Superman’s Funeral

Now how does that fit into 159 minutes. Not well. Not good.

Confusing as crap

Actually, the movie ends with dirt particles on Superman's coffin levitating. So Superman isn't really, truly dead...

And there is no hint at the next movie during the credits.

Why is there a NEXT MOVIE? you ask...

Because of this movie's subtitle -- THE DAWN OF JUSTICE

wow, jump for joy, cheer wildly!

Aren't you overwhelmed at the significance of those four words!

Aren't you fascinated by the implications?

You aren't?

That's because this story is the NEW and WONDERFUL origin of THE JUSTICE LEAGUE.

"I'm so thrilled" said Marvin the Paranoid Android.

I found the Superman arc okay. It seemed a good continuation from Man of Steel and his journey to find his place in the world. Batman on the other hand seemed rather insane until he comes to his senses and they work together agaiinst Doomsday.

It certainly wasn't a Marvel (great) movie.

I would agree. The Superman side of the story works well.

But the Batman side is incomprehensible.

Lex Luthor is manipulating Batman in Gotham because, well they never quite explain that. Lex has a serious case of the crazy and wants to destroy Batman. His reasons are never made clear. We know that somehow, in some way, Lex Luthor sees the future threat of Darkseide and we don't know for how long he has seen this.

I think that Lex Luthor's first mention of the upside-down picture is to Wonder Woman. I'm not sure of that. If he did and my memory is correct then Lex Luthor is afraid of Earth being destroyed and Luthor is more than simply crazy and psychotic.

However, Batman gets a visit from the future. Batman also sees the blasted landscape. Those two things are important to upcoming events.

None of that bears on the plot of this movie.

I thought Lex's major malfunction was Superman's existence. Superman was a God-like figure and had to be brought down to his level. Lex wanted to be superior to the Gods. He created Doomsday as his minion to conquer/rule. Batman was a pawn, that Luthor just pushed his crazy buttons and as he said, there wasn't far to go to get him to try and kill Superman.

I think he summoned Darkseid from the Kryptonian ship as a backup plan. He is nuts!

Because the WONDER WOMAN movie arrived in theaters, I watched Batman V Superman again (it's on HBO free) to see all the WONDER WOMAN references in the movie. Damn this movie is a train wreck of trying to tell too much story in too short a time.

However,

Bruce Wayne discovers that Diana Prince's identity from a 1918 picture. That picture includes the cast of the new Wonder Woman movie.

Wonder Woman saves Batman from whatever that unholy combination of ZOD's corpse and Lex Luthor's blood created in the Kryptonian wreck.

Somewhere, Wonder Woman's invisible plane is parked and not in this movie or in the new movie.

The movie also reveals Aquaman (underwater scenes for ten seconds). {can't you see how thrilled I am? -- hint: sarcasm}

The FLASH is revealed to Bruce Wayne in a time-travel nightmare. I haven't a clue how they are going to justify that with the current TV show. I hate time travel plots in movies.

And then there is that picture in LEX LUTHOR's office -- It was painted for the movie which makes it a pile of moronic stupidity. The proper way to do this (IMHO) is to use a real piece of art so that people can Google it.

However, WONDER WOMAN is no slouch in a fight. She holds her own.

Probably going to be a bright spot in the series of Marvel Comics Movie Universe.

As a boy, I was a comic book geek. I wish I still had them all, worn or not.

I have to say, I have hated every single DC movie that's come out since 'Batman Begins', and I wasn't fond of that one.

I refused to watch any more of them after Nolan's trilogy of blasphemy, 'Man of Steel', and the preview ONLY of 'Green Lantern'.

And now Wonder Woman is in WW1? Did they not know about the source material? Wonder Woman without Nazis? Is she without Steve? Etta?

No thanks. I'll watch my Wonder Woman DVD's of Lynda in the TV show, from back when she was the thing trying to kick-start puberty for me!

Paolo wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:15 pm As a boy, I was a comic book geek. I wish I still had them all, worn or not.

I have to say, I have hated every single DC movie that's come out since 'Batman Begins', and I wasn't fond of that one.

I refused to watch any more of them after Nolan's trilogy of blasphemy, 'Man of Steel', and the preview ONLY of 'Green Lantern'.

And now Wonder Woman is in WW1? Did they not know about the source material? Wonder Woman without Nazis? Is she without Steve? Etta?

No thanks. I'll watch my Wonder Woman DVD's of Lynda in the TV show, from back when she was the thing trying to kick-start puberty for me!

"Green Lantern" is a waste.

This current incarnation of Wonder Woman is fighting Germans, it;s just the WW1 Germans and not the Nazis of WW2. Steve and Etta are listed as characters. There's a lot of villains in WW1...

I watched the first of Nolan's Batman Trilogy and not the other two. The first was too dark and depressing. I didn't feel right wen I left it and I told people that as we walked out. The entire movie bet on the "bad" in mankind and not the good. Terrible premise to create.

"MAN OF STEEL" I've watched a couple times. It suffers because it can't escape from General Zod being a total ass-hole. It might have been a good movie if it had stuck with developing the character of Clark Kent but it didn't.

Time will tell about WONDER WOMAN

I saw Wonder Woman last night and liked it.

Crapping in Wonder Woman sounds a bit to kinky for me.