Given the recent recall of EpiPen's competitors, it occurs to me that they could be reloaded with less …LINK TO A BANNED SITE WAS POSTED!life-critical drugs for home injection.

Would I be the only one who would want Sanofi to put testosterone in their repurposed autoinjectors?

Maybe.

It is so easy to stick oneself with T cyp or T enanth, I don't understand why the interest in the ridiculous pen. It is a scam. The epi costs cents and the plastic preloaded syringe with single-use needle costs probably about the same. Total cost to manf: about 15c. Now corner the market with a frightened public, and it can go for $600 for two. This absolutely comes nowhere near passing the sniff test...

Maybe.

daifu-orchid (imported) wrote: Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:11 pm It is so easy to stick oneself with T cyp or T enanth, I don't understand why the interest in the ridiculous pen.

No, it doesn't, but I didn't want to get into the epi-pen pricing debate. I'm just a needle-phobe, and have to take a couple shots before I take my shot, to steady my nerves and my hands. It usually takes more than twenty minutes to get into that head-space. I'm not proud of it, but it is what it is - and it's also the result of a deliberate attempt to de-sensitize myself to needles. (Yes, it used to be worse!)

The military issues autoinjectors instead of pre-filled syringes because in a pinch, your fine motor skills vanish, and if you're suffering from nerve gas poisoning, you may be starting to convulse. Likewise, if you can't breathe, it's much easier to give yourself a whack, than it is to check for air in the syringe, remove clothing, and shoot yourself in the butt. (And I'm skinny - some people just won't have the flexibility to do that right.) The most successful military firearms are the most reliable, and having a simple manual of arms - the skills necessary to operate it - are also a huge component of reliability.

It occurs to me that actually, in the military case, people would literally rather die than give themselves a shot.

Food for thought.

Anyway, I figure I can perhaps buy a crate of the autoinjectors for peanuts, sand off the labels, and take them to a compounding pharmacy to refill. Not only will I never have to look at a needle again (the Auvi-Q retracts the needle for safe disposal) I can give myself a shot without medicating away the shaking hands first.

I have been prescribed and use Testogel. Its an alcohol based T gel that you just rub in every day. Seems to work.You can skip days as a way of controling your T level.

IT cant be put in an Epipen I dont know why but testosterone can only be given in an oil hense Testogel and all the others being in alcohol base or gel baseded, the problem is there is no way an oil can go down the thin bore of an Epipen also if in liquid for it has to deep into a muscle. Trust me I have had an injection and the needel was almost a mm across and deep into my bum I could not sit down after well may be I could but it really hurts.

As for the nerve gas I'm a Paramedic and we have the same ones and have been shown them the needle is like a small nail we have all said there is no way you would do it to your self you would have to do your crew mate and them do you, we tested them on an orange the hole they left was 2mm across. OUCH.

I to use Testogel and it works well as you said I some times go days with nothing you can play around with the dose to suit.

jako9999 (imported) wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:32 pm IT cant be put in an Epipen I dont know why but testosterone can only be given in an oil

That really only says that you can't use syringes that are soluble in organic oils. Most autoinjectors use glass syringes; polyethylene syringes are something of a design goal, since they're less fragile that way.

jako9999 (imported) wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:32 pm hense Testogel and all the others being in alcohol base or gel baseded, the problem is there is no way an oil can go down the thin bore of an Epipen

Here's where our experiences diverge: I use testosterone cypionate in a 25 gauge needle. Only an inch is required for an intramuscular injection. I'd be better off basing my project off the Swedish Emerade autoinjector, since it uses a longer needle than the Auvi-Q, and have a cash price of about $49 (before insurance!) It's slow and hard to inject through a fine needle, but it's also almost painless.

jako9999 (imported) wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:32 pm also if in liquid for it has to deep into a muscle. Trust me I have had an injection and the needel was almost a mm across and deep into my bum I could not sit down after well may be I could but it really hurts.

Consider drawing the drug with a short, fat needle, then switching to a fresh, thin one for the injection. It's going to ache for almost a week - no way around the muscle damage,* I fear - but the injection itself doesn't hurt. I use 22 or 25 gauge - I prefer thinner needles on principle - and while the injection is slow, that way, it really doesn't hurt going in, at least.

jako9999 (imported) wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:32 pm As for the nerve gas I'm a Paramedic and we have the same ones and have been shown them the needle is like a small nail we have all said there is no way you would do it to your self you would have to do your crew mate and them do you, we tested them on an orange the hole they left was 2mm across. OUCH.

Interestingly, that's the opposite problem most have. Also, human flesh is somewhat more elastic than oranges, I suspect. Having seen videos involving epi-pens in ballistic gel, the needle isn't much worse than the ones I already use.

jako9999 (imported) wrote: Thu Sep 01, 2016 3:32 pm I to use Testogel and it works well as you said I some times go days with nothing you can play around with the dose to suit.

Testogel is so far beyond my finances at the moment I'm looking into bulk purchases at Costco in order to bring my testosterone levels up from the 90-year-old range.

**The entire point of the testosterone cypionate in oil drugs is that it's slow to absorb from the organic phase into the bloodstream. Hurting from a hole in the muscle is unavoidably part of the experience. This is part of why I will be switching to pellet implants - I've always suffered more than most people from intramuscular injections. Pellets, however, simply slip in under the skin, where it doesn't feel like you have a torn muscle.

Can concur that Test Cyp is a bit of a pain in the arse in a literal sort of way.

With me the sites are sore for days after the shot.

I havent been on TRT for long but when my levels have sorted themselves out those pellets sound like a sweet option.

I am on pellets and get them every 3 to 3.5 months and is working well.

daifu-orchid (imported) wrote: Sat Aug 27, 2016 6:11 pm It is so easy to stick oneself with T cyp or T enanth

I totaly agree with you charging the syringe in the first place is much harder than the jab itself.

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Just get extra needles in larger gauge needle and draw the Test Cyp in and then replace with lower gauge to inject...