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Lawmaker wants to surgically castrate sex offenders on their tab

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:01 pm
by turbo2011 (imported)
https://www.rt.com/usa/334613-alabama-s ... astration/

Measure twice, cut once: Lawmaker wants to surgically castrate sex offenders on their tab

Published time: 5 Mar, 2016 06:51

An Alabama lawmaker is seeking to offer pedophiles an alternative to prison: castration. Since 2011, State Rep. Steve Hurst has proposed that sex offenders be either chemically or surgically castrated, but now he wants them to pay for it too.

Hurst has filed legislation that would legally require offenders convicted of sexually assaulting a child under the age of 12 to be surgically castrated before being released from prison. HB 365 is something of a passion project for Hurst, but this year he added an additional twist, requiring sex offenders pay for the operation.

Surgical castration removes a man’s testicles and could become the harshest penalty for sex offenders in the country.

Internationally, laws regarding physical castration have received severe pushback. In 2009, the Council of Europe’s Anti-Torture Committee criticized the Czech Republic for surgically castrating sex offenders. The committee called it, "invasive, irreversible and mutilating."

In 2014, that same committee asked Germany to stop offering surgical castration as an option for sex offenders. In Germany, surgical castration is only performed upon request by the sex offender and is rarely used.

Although nine states have variations of castration laws, all the current laws on the books are for chemical castration. Chemical castration entails giving men Depo Provera, a synthetic female hormone and can be reversed by discontinuing treatment.

Hurst shot down the chemical castration as an alternative in 2011 when he told the Anniston Star, “The chemical castration, that’s fine as long as they are taking the medication, but who is to say they will continue taking it?”

This bill is Hurst’s personal mission, he told the Anniston Star, that “we need something to protect the children out here.” But many do not feel that castration is the answer.

Both chemical and physical castration can reduce sexual urges and impulses, but it does not guarantee the absolute loss of physical arousal.

Take, for example, Wayne DuMond. In 1985, DuMond was on trial for raping a 17-year-old. One night, masked intruders broke into DuMond’s home in Arkansas and castrated him. Although the intruders were never found, the town sheriff did find DuMond’s testicles.

DuMond was pardoned by Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee and released from prison in 1999. Weeks later, he raped and murdered a 39-year old woman at a nearby apartment complex. Meanwhile, his main source of testosterone was floating in a jar on the sheriff’s desk.

Although testicles supply 95 percent of a man’s testosterone, they are not the sole source. The adrenal glands can create enough for a man to achieve an erection. In addition, castration does not solve the underlying mental problems that sex offenders may have.

Re: Lawmaker wants to surgically castrate sex offenders on their tab

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 3:52 pm
by Losethem (imported)
His push for this kind of makes me wonder what child he's been diddling.

Kind of like US Senators that push so hard for anti-gay legislation being found soliciting cock in bathroom stalls at Minnesota airports.

Re: Lawmaker wants to surgically castrate sex offenders on their tab

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 5:54 pm
by Hopeful1 (imported)
Does anybody else get the impression this guy would want to watch videos of the castrations and be breathing really hard.

Re: Lawmaker wants to surgically castrate sex offenders on their tab

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:28 pm
by C&TL2745 (imported)
Hopeful1 (imported) wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2016 5:54 pm Does anybody else get the impression this guy would want to watch videos of the castrations and be breathing really hard.
I have to believe the guys who would impose such harsh punishments are getting sexual gratification from imagining other men being castrated. Many years ago I read that a politician in Texas was pushing for having the penises of sex offenders disabled, either by surgically severing nerves or by penectomy. He didn't seem to care which. I wish I'd saved the article, because I can't recall any more specifics than that. I do remember thinking at the time that the guy was probably masturbating thinking about it.

Sandi

Re: Lawmaker wants to surgically castrate sex offenders on their tab

Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:17 pm
by Paolo
The last time I was in the MN airport, I went into the loo and called out "Ohhhh Sssssenator?!"

Everyone laughed. No senator for me, though.

Re: Lawmaker wants to surgically castrate sex offenders on their tab

Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 5:13 am
by ambiguous (imported)
I don't really think you can cure severe mental issues simply by cutting a guys balls off.

Said lawmaker should crawl back into the sandbox where he might learn somthing.

However on more than one occasion that has been the initial response from some my work colleagues when reading about similar rape cases in the press.

Perhaps he is simply telling the people what they want to hear.

Re: Lawmaker wants to surgically castrate sex offenders on their tab

Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2016 9:59 pm
by turbo2011 (imported)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdZqbLYzsFU

Alabama Lawmaker Proposes Castration as Punishment for Child Molesters Sexual Abuse

Re: Lawmaker wants to surgically castrate sex offenders on their tab

Posted: Fri Mar 11, 2016 2:12 pm
by JesusA (imported)
Castration: One man’s worst punishment could be another’s best hope

by AJ Willingham

Headline News

10 March 2016

The act of castration has been carried out for millennia as punishment for crimes big, small, and imagined; by kings and civilians, courts of law and victors of war. The days of such extreme corporal punishments are long past in the Western world, but a new bill put forth by an Alabama lawmaker seeks to dredge up one of its less visceral, but still highly controversial applications.

HB 365 was proposed by Republican State Rep. Steve Hurst (https://www.billtrack50.com/BillDetail/723500), and would allow for a court to impose mandatory surgical castration for certain convicted sex offenders who are older than 21, and whose victims were 12 years old or less.

Hurst's reasonings mirror the simple penal codes of centuries past: An eye for an eye, a seemingly brutal punishment for an unquestionably brutal crime.

"They have marked this child for life and the punishment should fit the crime," he told CNN affiliate WIAT (http://wiat.com/2016/03/04/alabama-lawm ... tion-bill/).

To say the bill is new is not entirely accurate. This is the seventh time Hurst has proposed this type of legislation (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/lawmaker-in ... n-alabama/), all to no avail.

Given its history, the bill is likely to fail again. The subject at hand is too fraught with problems of ethics and application. Even Hurst himself seems to see it as more symbolic than practical.

"If we do something of this nature, it would deter something like this happening again in Alabama and maybe reduce the numbers [of sex offenders]," he said (http://wiat.com/2016/03/04/alabama-lawm ... tion-bill/).

This line of thinking makes some assumptions that are debated within the medical and scientific communities: One, that all child molesters are pedophiles who act on raw sexual impulse; two, that the prospect of castration by whatever means is wholly unattractive to those who live within the shadow of pedophilia.

There is also, at the core of these debates, a fundamental ethical problem: Does punitive castration have a place in the modern American justice system at all, and if it does, is it meant to be a true punishment or a rehabilitative tool that can help both criminals and the public at large?

Punitive castration in the United States

While the unlikely Alabama bill would make the state the first to impose compulsory surgical castration upon certain offenders, there are several states today who still offer the procedure (https://www.cga.ct.gov/2006/rpt/2006-R-0183.htm) for inmates and parolees found guilty of similar crimes.

Florida, Texas, Louisiana and California all have laws that provide for the option of surgical castration. The procedure is rather straightforward -- the testicles are removed via orchiectomy -- but the desired effect may be misconstrued. Rather than render the genitalia useless, the procedure by nature reduces testosterone, which typically tamps down or outright extinguishes libido and sexual urges.

The more widely legislated, and commonly accepted method to gain this result is chemical castration, which entails a variety of typically reversible hormonal and non-hormonal methods to lower sex drive without physical surgery.

Eight states (https://www.cga.ct.gov/2006/rpt/2006-R-0183.htm), including the ones mentioned above, have laws that allow for chemical castration via the administration of synthetic hormones. Some of these states offer the procedure as a voluntary part of a parole deal or required rehabilitation. Others allow courts to mandate the procedure for repeat child abusers or those who have committed particularly violent crimes.

By U.S. state laws, these punishments are reserved for what we may think of as the worst-of-the-worst; the serial offenders, the sexual batterers, the compulsive and violent and unrepentant.

For a different set of people, who may never have touched a child in their adult life, chemical castration represents a viable path to freedom.

An unconventional solution

Dr. James Cantor (http://www.jamescantor.org/) is a psychologist and sexual behavior scientist who serves as an associate professor of psychiatry at the University of Toronto. Cantor works with pedophiles who seek treatment for their attractions. He says chemical castration is a therapeutic option that many patients -- patients who have not and do not want to act on their urges - are willing to explore.

"Chemical castration is really a nickname to describe a range of possible things we can do," he says. "What we really mean is medically-induced sex drive reduction."

Once the shock of the term is muted, some of the procedures Cantor outlines are not too far removed from other commonly-applied psychiatric treatments.

"Many anti-depressants can reduce sex drive," he suggests. "At the other end, the more powerful medications require injections."

It can be difficult to understand the idea that someone with pedophilia does not necessarily pose a threat to children. Cantor says it's because of a fundamental, and extremely damaging, assumption.

"The important part is to separate pedophilia from child molestation," he says. "A lot of people use them as synonyms, and they're not. Pedophilia is the actual sexual interest…nobody asks for what their sexual interests are, and [these people] are bound by it."

The American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Paraphili ... 0Sheet.pdf) classifies pedophilia, or pedophilic disorder, under Sexual and Gender Identity disorders. The APA had described pedophilia as a "sexual orientation" in an earlier version of the DSM's 5th edition, but they issued a statement changing (http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/13-67-DSM ... 103113.pdf) the term to "sexual interest."

Child molestation, meanwhile, is the harmful application of these interests, but Cantor suggests the bulk of such criminal actions are not related to pedophilia at all.

This point is contradicted in other research (http://www.journalismcenter.org/resourc ... -juveniles) which finds pedophiles committing the majority of reported child sex abuse cases. The disparity may lie in differing classifications of the term "pedophile."

"Most actual cases of child molestation are not committed by actual pedophiles," Cantor argues. "They are often in incest situations, they happen in chaotic households where emotional neediness or drugs and alcohol may be present, but the situation is not motivated by genuine desire."

Children’s advocacy groups have tried to hone in on the defining characteristics of sex offenders who are pedophiles, and those whose motivations lie elsewhere. A behavioral analysis published by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/Digitiz ... 2NCJRS.pdf) splits child molesters into two categories: Situational and preferential. Though these typologies are helpful to law enforcement, they are not intended for medical or psychological use and cannot be used as a definitive way to categorize all perpetrators of abuse

When castration seems like the only way

The application of chemical castration has also been used to treat other paraphilias. In 2015, New York Magazine (http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2015/12/wh ... rated.html) interviewed a 62-year-old man who elected to undergo chemical castration to curb his hypersexuality. The man identified himself as a sex addict who compulsively cheated on his wife with prostitutes and "would have done anything to stop."

A psychiatrist set him on a course of monthly shots of Lupron, a hormone suppressant. He called the results "absolutely fantastic."

"I was willing to chop my testicles off for the marriage," he said.

There is an ocean between a pedophile's desperate search for treatment (or a husband's desire to save his marriage), and the foul crimes of a child molester. While, as Dr. Cantor mentioned, the motivations for sexual crimes against children may extend far beyond paraphilia, there are those whose criminal inclinations and natural urges form a deeply dangerous union.

In 1994, a Texas man named Larry Don McQuay confessed, in great detail, to a string of child sex crimes so putrid and prolific The Houston Press reported his prison counselor assumed he must have exaggerated the numbers (http://www.houstonpress.com/news/the-tr ... ry-6572071) for publicity. McQuay, a former school bus driver, claimed he molested hundreds of children, up to and including physical penetration.

From a prison in San Antonio, McQuay spoke freely to the media (
I1K9OZRnHiU) while serving a twenty-year sentence for coercing the son of a woman he was dating into a sexual relationship. He begged the Texas justice system to allow him to be surgically castrated.

At the time no state had such provisions, but McQuay's case compelled officials to search for a solution. In 1997 Texas passed a law (http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... GV.501.htm) making them the first to offer sex offenders the option of surgical castration. McQuay underwent the procedure and was released in 2005 (http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas ... 552532.php).

"Between punishment and treatment"

While McQuay and a handful of other convicted offenders (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1998 ... sentencing) have outright requested such a procedure, the notion of castration, especially surgical castration, as a punitive measure is highly debated and widely condemned. Even when it is presented as optional, global voices argue that the option, when given under the duress of incarceration, can represent coercion rather than choice.

In 2009, The Council of Europe, a human rights forum,
turbo2011 (imported) wrote: Sun Mar 06, 2016 1:01 pm criticized the Czech Republic for surgically castrating
convicted sex offenders (http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/02 ... .castrate/), saying the practice was "invasive, irreversible, and mutilating." While under Czech law, sex offenders have to request the procedure, the CoE's investigation found prisoners feared they would face further incarceration if they did not comply.

Similarly, when South Korea introduced chemical castration to its laws in 2011, a pair of physicians wrote a paper expressing concern that the procedure, while effective, was difficult to apply responsibly.

"Chemical castration reduces recidivism effectively when offered to sexual offenders within the context of simultaneous comprehensive psychotherapeutic treatment," Joo Young Lee and Kang Su Cho wrote in the Journal of Korean Medical Science (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3565125/). "However, chemical castration under the current laws is vaguely positioned between punishment and treatment due to lack of informed consent by the recipient, and so remains a problematic issue for medical ethics."

Following Florida's introduction of a chemical castration law in 1997, the American Civil Liberties Union condemned (http://archive.law.fsu.edu/journals/law ... alding.pdf) any form of punitive chemical or surgical castration, calling it "cruel and unusual punishment" that was "constitutionally suspect."

Ethicists have some surprising things to say on the matter.

"Punitive chemical castration would be hard to justify ethically," says Brian D. Earp, a research associate in Science and Ethics at the University of Oxford (http://www.neuroethics.ox.ac.uk/our_members/brian_earp). "It's such an extreme intervention, and is often attended with many side effects, so considered as a form of punishment forced on someone there should be great caution and skepticism." Earp says the side effects of hormone-based sex drive reduction -- gynecomastia (the swelling of male breast tissue) and bone density loss, to name a few -- render it "far from a precise intervention."

Ole Martin Moen, PhD (http://www.olemartinmoen.com/), a Postdoctoral Fellow in Ethics at the University of Oslo, disagrees.

"First of all, chemical castration is, philosophically, not really a punishment at all, for a punishment is something inflicted in order to be a harm or a burden on a convict," Moen says. "Chemical castration, by contrast, is not done in order to make things worse for the convict; it is made for the sake of protecting future children."

Additionally, Moen rejects the notion that chemical castration is "cruel and unusual," as the ACLU has defined it. "Even if the castration is a mandatory response to his offenses, to me it seems pretty clear that repeat child sex offenders have forfeited their right to have their sexualities intact after repeat offenses."

Cantor says the emotional and cultural weight of both the act of castration and the unspeakable crimes that legally warrant it makes it difficult to see through to real solutions.

"Situations like this are so emotionally evocative that it has become an opportunity for virtue signalling," he says, referring to the recent Alabama bill. "It would be a bonus just to get people to think objectively and neutrally to remove the hysteria that leads to these laws."

"Making [castration methods] available for those who want it? Wonderful," he continues. "But using it as a punishment is unethical by every medical and psychological standard."

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Re: Lawmaker wants to surgically castrate sex offenders on their tab

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 7:12 am
by Paolo
It's not a new idea. This article cites doctors favoring this idea as early as 1897, for a variety of reasons. I'll see if I can get the text out of the PDF file and post it.

Notes on the Castration of Idiot Children Author(s): Everett Flood Source: The American Journal of Psychology, Vol. 10, No. 2 (Jan., 1899), pp. 296-301 Published by: University of Illinois Press Stable

Re: Lawmaker wants to surgically castrate sex offenders on their tab

Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2016 2:31 pm
by nonconsensual (imported)
Well they also could reduce the costs if they didn't use anything for pain.