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Three Books- The Martian, Seveneves, When Worlds Colide

Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 5:29 pm
by Dave (imported)
Three books about the same thing.

Long ago, When Worlds Collide was 1933's story about a planet slightly smaller than earth knocks earth out of orbit or destroys ift and several rockets filled with humans escape to colonize the new world. IT was made into a movie in 1951. IT was a typical Sci-Fi of the early half of the twentieth Century.

All of that was later reproduced in two films at the same time -- "Armageddon" and "Deep Impact. I have watched those two movies but found them fun but uninspired. I cringe at anything Tea Leoni now and I shudder at the thoughts of Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck in space as joking fools makes me ill. The worst scenes in both of those two movies was the truly hemorrhoidal-inducing death of John Favreau reciting "Now I lay me down to sleep" which haunts my dreams and causes night . . . sell, let's not go there, please.

THE MARTIAN is a novel by Andy Weir, published a year or two ago that was made into a movie that will be out this summer - - look for THE MARTIAN in a theater near you - - and it is a survival film about an astronaut who is stranded at one of the first mars bases. The books wasn't bad but even me, that little boy with the erector set who became a chemical engineer, got tired of all the science.

I expect the movie to be very good because Matt Damon is going to the stranded astronaut becomes the very first inhabitant of Mars . Hence the name - THE MARTIAN. It is a story of survival against the thin, pink and red background of Mars with its lack of air.

First rumors were that Tom Cruise was going to be the Astronaut and I would have cheered for his death if that were the case. Sorry, I digress.

SEVENEVES - - what a name and 900 pages. I'm 225 pages into it and it's quite good. Not hard to read. Not like reading a technical manual. However, like all movies where mankind is threatened with extinction, it has its science.

THE STORY is that one day the moon fractures into seven large pieces and lots of tiny pieces. SO all the debris has the same center of gravity as the moon and the bits are quite spectacular to look at BUT BUT BUT BUT one astronomer realizes that all those pieces will eventually shatter each other and the subsequent meteors will rain down on the earth and burn everything. The sky will grow white with meteors and so hot, everything burns. All that in roughly two years and seven days. Quite explicitly twenty-four or twenty-five months. It's all over. SO rather than two or three rockets like WHEN WORLDS COLLIDE, the countries of Earth send several hundred arklets into space to rendevous with the International Space Station and create and ARK.

Neal Stephenson deals with just how simpleminded that idea is and how much more work and effort it takes to create a livable colony in space that can survive and flourish until the Earth renews and the surface can be rebuilt.

SEVENEVES extends nearly 5,000 and then 10,000 years into the future to tell the story of the saving of mankind. I haven't got to the White Cloud of Death yet but the story is satisfying and a reasonably fast read. I did 200 pages just today.

In a week or so I will come back and update my feelings on SEVENEVES.

Re: Three Books- The Martian, Seveneves, When Worlds Colide

Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 9:35 am
by Dave (imported)
I finished SEVENEVES and liked it. A lot of pages but a quick read. Nice story and it doesn't have all the pitfalls that usual sic-fi has.

There are no aliens that show up to save everyone. There are no amazingly powerful spaceships hidden away by the military to save mankind. There is only the current technology and the determination to survive.

Re: Three Books- The Martian, Seveneves, When Worlds Colide

Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 10:42 am
by DeaconBlues (imported)
WHAT?! No space aliens? NO WAY will I ever waste my time reading anything that does NOT have space amazon women! I am now off to watch (again, and again, and...) "The Queen Of Outer Space," now THAT is a true classic starring Zsa Zsa Gabor!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052104/

Re: Three Books- The Martian, Seveneves, When Worlds Colide

Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 3:44 pm
by Dave (imported)
DeaconBlues (imported) wrote: Tue May 26, 2015 10:42 am WHAT?! No space aliens? NO WAY will I ever waste my time reading anything that does NOT have space amazon women! I am now off to watch (again, and again, and...) "The Queen Of Outer Space," now THAT is a true classic starring Zsa Zsa Gabor!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052104/

Look at the title - - Seveneves

Try to type it and see what a spellchecker thinks it should be.

You wouldn't be far off from what the book is about.

Re: Three Books- The Martian, Seveneves, When Worlds Colide

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 2:40 pm
by fhunter
I've read the "Martian", and liked it (seen few potential errors, but thought it was just translation issues in my case), one of the questionable things, to me, was the use of RTG. (ok, no spoilers :-p)

Need to reread with "a pencil in hand" to check for others. Author definitely has so issues with "partial pressure" and physics related to it (or correct me if I am wrong).

Re: Three Books- The Martian, Seveneves, When Worlds Colide

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 8:17 pm
by Dave (imported)
I can't figure out what the acronym "RTG" stands for.

There were several places where I thought that THE MARTIAN bent science or just plain forgot it but the story was good to read. I tend to turn off my brain to the mistakes in science unless I can laugh at them.

Re: Three Books- The Martian, Seveneves, When Worlds Colide

Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 10:10 pm
by fhunter
Dave (imported) wrote: Wed May 27, 2015 8:17 pm I can't figure out what the acronym "RTG" stands for.

There were several places where I thought that THE MARTIAN bent science or just plain forgot it but the story was good to read. I tend to turn off my brain to the mistakes in science unless I can laugh at them.
Termoelectric generator (the one powered from the heat of radioactive source).

Re: Three Books- The Martian, Seveneves, When Worlds Colide

Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 6:26 am
by Dave (imported)
Oh those things. Thanks.

I think that some SciFi writers are using them as a crutch.

The writer needs a source of electric power and heat and so they fall back on those devices. They never worry about shielding the users from leaking radiation. It's a convenient solution that I find problematic. (as a scientist, not as a reader). . . However, it is usually a small point that doesn't kill the story for me.

Re: Three Books- The Martian, Seveneves, When Worlds Colide

Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 2:02 pm
by Riverwind (imported)
not having read any of these stories, I take it they are trying to generate electricity. Funny we do that every day here, off the grid, water is the same way. Did I miss something?

Re: Three Books- The Martian, Seveneves, When Worlds Colide

Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 2:52 pm
by fhunter
Riverwind (imported) wrote: Thu May 28, 2015 2:02 pm not having read any of these stories, I take it they are trying to generate electricity. Funny we do that every day here, off the grid, water is the same way. Did I miss something?
It happens on Mars. So - no fossil fuels, no materials for the wind generator, and solar panels do need cleaning. (and due to the lack of oxygen in atmosphere, any combustion engine is out too). Also - that kind of generator provides heat (which helps too.).

Soviets used similar generators for unattended beacons and lighthouses in the north, but they were much heavier for required power output than described.