I'm going to put these five links in one place.

a) I'm tired of looking them up but that does't count for much. I posted these as warnings to what can go wrong in a "self" or a "cutter" style castration and NO ONE wants anyone to bleed to death. Bad things happen.

b) please don't try to remove parts of your body (testicles or penis) all by yourself. Things go wrong and you can die.

c) Please don't use a "cutter" because of what you read below - - the aftermath and court cases that occurred in my area (Western PA) with a cutter. Even then, things can go wrong and you can die. The judge was lenient and understanding but don't count on that. The crimes are "practicing medicine without a license" and "harming another by doing negligent things" . . . Negligence is doing something a prudent man would not do.

d) Use a doctor and a hospital or clinic, please. They are prepared for all the things that can go wrong . . .

You can find these by searching Lenhart or McKeesport. One is a person and the other is a small town southeast of Pittsburgh.

http://forums.eunuch.org/showthread.php ... mckeesport

http://forums.eunuch.org/showthread.php ... mckeesport

http://forums.eunuch.org/showthread.php ... mckeesport

http://forums.eunuch.org/showthread.php ... mckeesport

http://forums.eunuch.org/showthread.php ... mckeesport

Dave, you are the voice of reason in an overwhelming desperation that many of us have had/have and cannot find a way. It either ends in some botched encounter with someone who professes to know they are doing or we have a go ourselves.

The power of desperation sees no sense and is single minded when an opportunity or idea strikes. Regardless of all the literature something else takes over, I am still trying to understand the force that overcame me.

Reason goes out of the window, in spite of all the knowledge, warnings and posts of others experience. If one is not in the fantasy category and really serious sooner or later this driving obsession will take over.

We all know the answer is to make genital dysphoria an accepted medical condition and offer the correct treatment options for consenting adults. Until our brave new world catches on many will fall prey to disastrous cutters or self mutilation.

I respect your tenacity in being the voice of reason and constantly warning. I am not optimistic that desperation will heed you.

Even though it was not the best of choices some of us did use cutters. While certainly not the safest, and I do not advocate it for anyone else, some who used doctors had complications. Of course the doctors that had problems were practicing past their prime. Any surgery carries risk regardless of who is performing surgery.

@ b) I don't want to try to remove parts of my body (testicles or penis) all by myself. But I remember all too well how desperate I was and how I stood naked in my kitchen with tied balls an a red-hot kitchen-knife. In retrospect I see this as an exploration of potential possibilities to realize the inner necessity of being a eunuch. A possibility which I rejected that very moment I was standing in my kitchen with tied balls and the red-hot kitchen-knife. I understand why guys start to inject their testicles with alcohol, but when I think about it to inject my own testicles, I shrink back from this possibility, although it is much safer than my kitchen-knife method.

I also wanted to have my penis circumcised, which was more a wish than an inner necessity. Here we come for me to a central point in the whole discussion: my GP and in general the whole Health Service here was and is in principal against unnecessary medical/surgical interventions. No circumcision on a healthy and well functioning penis. I have studied several circumcision methods and considered to cut my foreskin myself. I didn't do it and tried to find a willing doctor, but found a willing cutter, who finally didn't cut my foreskin. Today there are circumcision clinics primarily for Muslim boys, but also for all adult males.

@ c) After my experience with trying to find a doctor to cut my foreskin I was aware that it must be possible to find a cutter to castrate me. The fact is that if I really want it, I can be castrated by a cutter in the very near future. I'm not worried that it might be illegal, as I'm not against cutters in general. As long as I can't find a regular way to get castrated, I don't exclude the possibility of a cutter. For sure, I'm worried that he can't give me the optimal medical treatment. Dave's warning is right, but I feel a little uneasy because he refers to only one case.

@ d) "Use a doctor and a hospital or a clinic, please." Yes Dave! Where do I find such a doctor, hospital or clinic? And it is said before, in clinics can things go wrong too and not all the doctors are good enough. Today we have here excellent circumcision clinics but no castration clinics. Traveling to the USA or to some other, Asian(?) country for a castration holiday? I really hope that castration will be soon a regular medical treatment, which will be the safest way to get castrated.

Although I appreciate your question, I can't answer it. I don't have any experience with matters in the Netherlands.

I can't help with doctors or therapists or clinics overseas.

BTW - I've never been outside the USA (except for a walk across the Rainbow Bridge when I was 12) and the farthest east I've been is Bentham Harbor Maine or Montauk Long Island (I didn't look at a map this morning).

That doesn't help much. I say "be careful" because none of us are indestructible or invulnerable.

We all take risks of some sort and mostly when we suffer the consequences they are acceptable.

Some times the result is an embarrassing video on the Internet. However, what we don't want result to be a severe disability, a prolonged hospital stay, or a death notice - - self surgery is a risk that might just go that far.

Reality Check

Removing the testicles or Penis is SURGERY, people die in the hospital from surgery's under the best of conditions, what makes you think for one second you can do a better and safer job on your kitchen table?

River

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:21 am Reality Check

Removing the testicles or Penis is SURGERY, people die in the hospital from surgery's under the best of conditions, what makes you think for one second you can do a better and safer job on your kitchen table?

River

I never said or thought that. Good reading is an art. Please think before you write. This is about a dramatic period of my life. Do you know how much you hurt me with this comment?

Peter47-NL (imported) wrote: Sat Sep 13, 2014 12:08 am I never said or thought that. Good reading is an art. Please think before you write. This is about a dramatic period of my life. Do you know how much you hurt me with this comment?

@Peter47-NL I don't think River aimed at you, he just responding to the thread about DIY being bad.

Using a cutter or self castration speaks of a desperation most cannot understand. My life had spiraled out of control in so many ways. I was being controlled by an ugly evil individual who harmed me on so many levels. I was addicted to sex which sadly happened too early in life and so what I was addicted to also repulsed me. I could not get enough sex and could not feel worse afterwards. I was threatened with death so much that I began to fantasize about being snuffed. I had so much pain that it did not matter how I died but I was looking for the peace that death was supposed to bring.

I needed to be castrated to rid myself of T and reclaim my life. In that cheap motel room on that lousy mattress was my freedom one way or another. Either castrated or dead it did not matter. Somehow I knew I needed to change to break the cycle. That may have been the only coherent thought in those days. Oh my god I had been raped too many times from dad to Joe and his guns.

So at the time I had no computer, no EA and doctors that would not take me seriously I found a cutter on a gay phone chat line. As disgusting a human being he was I have to thank him for helping me. Somehow when the T dropped I learned what I needed and began to protect myself. So I get a little tired of the criticism not always spoken but implied by some members who mention they were done by surgeons. Trust me I could not wait to find one. I was at crisis stage. Unless your life had become so desperate please do not criticize and if you are just a wannabe do not judge.

Thank you Tugon. You speak words I can understand.