I often read about eunuch gender here and wonder about the difference between "eunuch" and "neutrois" gender.

I am definitively asexual what means I don't feel any sexual attraction. And I have a discomfort with my body as male - I never want to be a woman but I don't feel as a male. I don't feel both, I am not androgynous but nothing. I am not really trapped in my body because there is no breaking out like a transsexual can do ... but it is a dysphoira: What I see is simply wrong. My body should represent my sexuality - neutral. This is way I claim I am neutrois. Right now I am searching cloths etc to find the neutrois way, so I am in transition but it is very difficult - If I ever do the surgery this would be a sex reassignment surgery but to a not accepted sex.

The eunuch know sexual attraction (often gay) and want to get rid of the testicels without being genderless. Often they only want castration without changing the male appearance or penectomy. A lot of eunuchs here just want to be castrated and nothing other should happen. They are definitely male in appearance, behaviour ... in all points but want just have no testicels (I don't talk about medical reasons or bid)

I fit in a well known picture from

http://canterburyccq.files.wordpress.co ... ad-2_1.jpg

My:

Identity = Genderless

Expression = Gender Neutral

Biology = Male

Attraction = Asexual

The problem is the contradiction between biology and the rest.

But what is the core of eunuch gender then? Where do the eunuch identity fits in there?

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Marian-Zero (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:41 am hat is the core of eunuch gender then? Where do the eunuch identity fits in there?

The basic characteristic of a eunuch is a male who does not have testicles. As a result, he cannot beget offspring. His sex drive is significantly diminished or non-existent. Untreated, he has the symptoms of a post-menopausal woman.

Yes of course, this are the medical points and they are absolutly clear but -

Marian-Zero (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2014 12:41 am what is the core of eunuch gender

identity people talking about some times? I only talk about volontarily castrated who claim to feel an eunuch identity. Not medical nessecery or by accident, not fetish reasons.

I try to understand the difference between trans, neutrois, eunuch and related identitys.

This helps a bit:

http://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2011 ... ification/

Marian-Zero (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:06 am Yes of course, this are the medical points and they are absolutly clear but -

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what is the core of eunuch gender

identity people talking about some times? I only talk about volontarily castrated who claim to feel an eunuch identity. Not medical nessecery or by accident, not fetish reasons.

I try to understand the difference between trans, neutrois, eunuch and related identitys.

This helps a bit:

http://gendertrender.wordpress.com/201
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Whether the person was castrated for medical reasons, or for otherwise, the outcome is still the same. Even if he does not identify himself in public as a eunuch due to the negative societal connotations the appellation often infers or if he does not see himself as being one, he still is. I don't think that it really matters if one embraces it as a gender identification beyond that of having certain characteristics different than an intact male. Being straight, gay or transgendered has nothing to do with it. There are heterosexual, homosexual and transgendered eunuchs. The core attributes of what is a eunuch are the same.

You say there is no gender identity eunuch. Without testicels you are an eunuch. This is right and wrong.

Right: Yes you are an eunuch then. This is your new sex.

Wrong: A medically castrated man have still the gender identity man even without nuts. This makes no difference for the identity.

Ther are serious scientists who say there is a gender identity "eunuch" - e.g.

http://www.sexualhealthvisual.com/Video ... f_standard s_of_care_for_individuals_with_a_male_to_eunuch_ge nder_identity_disorder.html

I ask:

1. Is it a disorder?

2. How to distinguish from neutrois/trans/agendered etc?

My feeling:

1. Yes and can be surgically cured.

2. It is something like transsexualism. It is not neutrois because of the male expression and the attraction but a non binary identity and close to neutrois.

But - I am not sure.

I very much identify as a eunuch. I do not relate to male or female but have a sympathy to both. I was not comfortable as a male but had no interest in becoming female. I knew I was something else. Now I live in a world between the two.

I have never used HRT of either T or E. I am still attracted to men but my drive is not strong enough to pursue anything physical. My fear of meeting another unkind person also holds me back.

My desire to become a eunuch and my real self was as much a part of me as my eye color or family resemblance. I am sure some might call it a disorder but my life improved after castration. Does a disorder improve one's life. I would say for me it was not a disorder but a corrective procedure. Unlike some I never hated my testicles just what they manufactured. T was poisoning my brain.

Yes - not the castration is the disorder but the cure and this is what you found is true for you. The castration improved your life because your body and your soul did not fit before castration, now it dies. This is great.

The important point is: Sometging else, not male not female. You are inbetween. But there are more options like outside, a third, nothing.

I feel I am "nothing" not "inbetween" ... every time I try to describe it I don't find words because ther is no word. But take the pronouns. I feel "it" would fit.

I think a typical eunuch feels "he" but something inbetween. Or nothing or outside?

tugon (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:28 am I very much identify as a eunuch. I do not relate to male or female but have a sympathy to both. I was not comfortable as a male but had no interest in becoming female. I knew I was something else. Now I live in a world between the two.

If there such a thing as a eunuch gender identity, I suppose that it can best be described as the ambiguity of not being a normal man, yet not being a woman either. I know that I identify with other eunuchs as being akin to me. Their particular sexual orientation doesn't seem to matter.

This is true for me but I don't feel "I am eunuch" - e.g. cutting of my testicels would not help. I want to be neutral not just castrated or inbetween.

Maybe this helps a bit: http://neutrois.com/what-is-neutrois/

This

Marian-Zero (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2014 8:31 am I want to be neutral not just castrated or inbetween.

While castration does alter one's sexuality, it does not change the resulting eunuch's sexual orientation.