The Last Closet?

[nullorchis (imported)]

This forum seems underused, so thought I would start something.

Seems like at pride parades and festivals I know of there are people in attendance representing:

Gay (men)

Lesbian (women)

Bi-sexual

Asexual

Trans-sexual (M-F)

Trans-sexual (F-M)

And a lot of groups and organizations that are of course not sexual in nature, made up with people of all sexual proclivities (many hetrosexual).

But no actual entries that I know of that represent hetrosexual.

The last sexual closet that seems to be not represented are Eunuchs.

No Eunuch entries in Pride. At least not that I know about.

Is being a eunuch (regardless of reason) so taboo that it just can not come out of the closet?

But there must be some eunuchs who still engage in M-F sex or M-M sex, or maybe not.

So they may be gay, bi, asexual, or hetro, but one would assume they have all their parts.

I am not meaning to ignore female eunuchs, but I really know nothing about this condition.

Or perhaps this is not the last closet. Nullo anyone?

[nvrgag44 (imported)]

What an interesting thought! I was at the Chicago event about 3 weeks ago and watched from about the middle of the route. It was mostly gay men but the lesbians had a strong presence too. There were floats from community organizations, media outlets and health organizations to name a few. Lots of signs praising the timely gay marriage SCOTUS ruling too. Imagine the attention if a large colorful eunuch themed float were to be included next year. The possible public reaction scenarios boggle the mind. I can't help but wonder if eunuchs would be perceived as submissive slaves and toys for dominant masters and mistresses.

[considering (imported)]

Hmm. Without realizing it I think most people assume eunuchs are homosexuals but that's not the case. As to heterosexuals being represented in a pride parade....many heterosexuals are marching in support of their LGBT friends. As to marching as a specific group, I can see problems. If you have a group of heteros who carry banners specifically in support of their LGBT friends, great but just to be there as heterosexuals might seem a trifle slap in the face. That's my interpretation and I could well be wrong; I notice that all manner of groups are in various parades not specifically for their group. On the other hand, I cannot think of any group marching in a circus parade beyond the circus participansts.

[Losethem (imported)]

I wouldn't say most eunuchs, at least in the US, are homosexual. If you take into consideration all the men castrated for medical reasons, I would guess most of those are heterosexual.

Now, if you're talking solely about voluntary eunuchs like myself, I would say most of us are homosexual. Of course, maybe it's just that those of us who are homosexual tend to be a bit more vocal about "oddities" than heterosexuals would be, so I could be wrong. But my experience with those that show up on fetishistic or body modification sites, they tend to be homosexual.

I would welcome more heterosexual males into the eunuch brotherhood. I think if they got it done immediately after completing their families, their girlfriends and wives would love it and they would be more sexually open/free since they would know there is absolutely no way their castrated man can get them pregnant. On the other hand, it would keep those women faithful, because if they turned up pregnant, their eunuch husbands would DEFINITELY know they didn't cause it. LOL

--LT

[feedback (imported)]

I't pretty hard for heterosexual males to find a cutter, and even harder if you happen to be married especially if your wife does not approved of the idea. Family obligations make it hard to travel to get together's where one might get to be known and there is just not a lot of extra cash to get it done by a doctor. I think most end up like me, I used vodka injections and that is probably as far as I can go unless I try and do it myself.

[tugon (imported)]

I think claiming eunuch status is the same as talking about your genitals. Growing up in a Catholic house and a rather prudish one we did not discuss our pieces parts. I do not know if it was a lack of an adult male in the household or my fear of an adult male but most of my influences were feminine. My mother, myself and younger sister were always well covered and feared exposure. My older sister and younger brother are quite comfortable at any state of dress.

Telling someone I am a eunuch is in some ways the same as dropping my pants. The big exposure and then the big reaction. When I have told friends the reactions have been both good and bad. One younger friend asked "why did you have your shit cut off"? A few have been accepting and one female friend was understanding but made me promise to call her before I have anything else removed. I actually lost more friends when I came out about my long term abuse.

I do not want to be a curiosity or a source of speculation for others. I also do not want people making the mistake that I am now passive. Today I am more like a eunuch warrior who can and does assert myself.

I guess I never told people what was in my pants before so why start now.

[Wolf-Pup (imported)]

Being a Eunuch is a state of existence not a sexual preference, right? The same way gender and sexuality aren't the same things. A transsexual can transition and be lesbian/gay or heterosexual post transition regardless of his/her new gender.

[Uncle Flo (imported)]

A few years ago there was a eunuch representation in a parade in Halifax NS. --FLO--

[nullorchis (imported)]

(Note, the program does not like spaces so it crunches up my columns, sorry about that).

So, maybe not the last closet, just missing identifiers:

We need more clarity specifically within the B and T categories, and need to include the E category.

Such as

what was your physical sexual identity when you were born.

What is your physical sexual identity now.

What physical sexual identity are you drawn to.

BODY BODY

BORN NOW LIKES TERM IDENTIFIER

F F F Lesbian L

F M F Transgender Male TM

F M M Transgender Gay TG

F F F or M Female Bi-sexual FB

M M M Gay G

M F M Transgender Female TF

M F F Transgender Lesbian TL

M M M or F Male Bi Sexual MB

M E M Gay Eunuch E

M E M or F Eunuch Bi Sexual EB

M E N Eunuch Asexual EA

F F N Female Asexual FA

M M N Male Asexual MA

F M N Transmale Asexual TMA

F M B Transmale Bisexual TMB

M F N Transfemale Asexual TFA

M F B Transfemale Bisexual TFB

Quite a diverse community of people. Not real large in certain areas, but possible.

Life is more than just M meets F, they have babies.

Now, how to upgrade LGBT to include all of the above. Not likely.

Maybe just add A and E to include asexual and eunuch. So it becomes LGBTAE which looks stupid.

Is there any kind of an existing word, or that would make a new pronouncable word out of LGBTAE.

LETGAB, GETBAL, oh, there is probably a computer program that can figure that out.

[tugon (imported)]

As I am reading your identifiers I do not see Transeunuch. This would cover those of us who did not want to remain male and will never use T. I may be perceived as male but I do not self identify as male. A number of eunuchs self identify as male and are men living without testicles.

Of course using an identifier would be outing myself. I would rather people know my emotional and intellectual reasons for being a eunuch than the knowledge of what is missing. As we know some cannot think beyond the physical, the superficial.

Interesting work and I need to read it again.