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Please could members please help with university study
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:52 am
by paulroberts (imported)
Hello,
I have been looking through the archive of this website trying to gather data but all the information I have found quite rightly doesn't discuss the topic in question but tries to deal with the underlying depression (castration and MPB)
OK, so I will stop being so vague, I am a biology student and I am doing a study on the effects of testosterone on hair. I find it a fascinating angle to look at how a lack of T effects already developed hair and was wondering if as many members could answer the below questions so I can have a rounded view for my assignment. I'm only looking for members who are not on any form of HRT.
1) how has body hair/leg hair/arm pit hair developed since surgical castration?
2) how has beard hair developed since surgical castration?
3) how hair head hair developed since surgical castration?
4) Did you have Male Pattern Baldness before castration and how has that developed since castration?
I would really appreciate members to answer all these questions as it would be a massive help to my assignment. I hope everyone is having a lovely day and if anyone wishes to know more about anything I'm doing I'll be glad to help
Thank You
Paul
Re: Please could members please help with university study
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:29 am
by JesusA (imported)
It would be useful to know a little bit more about your project and its goals. Given your stated age of 26, I would expect that you would be a graduate student, rather than an undergraduate. Is this for a specific course, or is it aimed at an eventual thesis project?
Have you looked at the materials on prostate cancer eunuchs? There is information on their hair patterns after castration both chemical and surgical. The classic work on castration and baldness is that by James B. Hamilton (who published a number of articles about castrated inmates of Kansas mental institutions):
EFFECT OF CASTRATION IN ADOLESCENT AND YOUNG ADULT MALES UPON FURTHER CHANGES IN THE PROPORTIONS OF BARE AND HAIRY SCALP
ABSTRACT A study of 21 adolescent and young adult males, before castration and for eight to eighteen years afterwards, showed that after orchiectomy there was no development of male pattern baldness (MPB) nor of any grossly recognizable denudation of the scalp. There was no expansion of bald areas in existence at the time of castration. At the end of the study the eunuchs, compared with intact males of similar age, exhibited a significantly lower incidence of MPB (P = .01) and had no further loss of coarse hairs in the pattern that in most males results in recession of the frontal hairline (P < .01). After castration, no increase in the number of coarse hairs was detected in bald or sparsely-haired areas of recession of the frontal hairline. It is concluded that the remedial value of drastic reduction in androgenic stimulation is probably nil with regard to return of coarse hairs which have been lost along the frontal hairline in young men. In 3 men with baldness of the crown of the head at the time of orchiectomy, a limited increase in the number of coarse hairs occurred after the operation in 1 but not in the others. Further study is required to ascertain the potential for partial regrowth of coarse hairs in subjects with late-appearing forms of MPB involving the dorsum of the head.
The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism October 1, 1960 vol. 20 no. 10 1309-1318
Hair and baldness come up in some of Hamilton's other articles, including an experiment where he administered testosterone to males in mental institutions who had been castrated before completing puberty in order to observe their subsequent hair loss.
Please keep us informed as your research progresses.
Re: Please could members please help with university study
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:35 am
by Uncle Flo (imported)
To paulroberts: Ordinarily requests for research assistance need to be approved before they are posted to the message boards. The requests for research should be directed to Kristoff. --FLO--
Re: Please could members please help with university study
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:23 am
by Losethem (imported)
This community has been burned (terribly) on more than one occasion.
While I (and I'm sure we) welcome actual academic research into the subject of voluntary castration, you may find it incredibly difficult to get us to open up to someone that has only recently come to our attention. Most that have come to us have taken this subject on from a perspective of "look at the freaks" instead of honest academic work.
--LT
Re: Please could members please help with university study
Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:24 pm
by Paolo
Losethem (imported) wrote: Sat Jun 01, 2013 11:23 am
This community has been burned (terribly) on more than one occasion.
While I (and I'm sure we) welcome actual academic research into the subject of voluntary castration, you may find it incredibly difficult to get us to open up to someone that has only recently come to our attention. Most that have come to us have taken this subject on from a perspective of "look at the freaks" instead of honest academic work.
--LT
AMEN
The Documentary-that-shall-not-be-named comes readily to mind.
Re: Please could members please help with university study
Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:40 am
by paulroberts (imported)
I totally understand everyones concerns, people can be very cruel. A bit about my background, I'm far left in my politics and been involved in LGBT rights for years. my study is just an informal one to begin with and to see if it can develop into something bigger but like I said I understand everyones reservations. It's horrible that you have been burnt in the past
Thankyou Jesus for the Hamilton link
Re: Please could members please help with university study
Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:04 am
by Losethem (imported)
I wish you well on the study. Unfortunately you have a high wall to get over to engage us.
Assuming you get over the wall, you then have to interview, figure out which interviews are legitimate, and then put together your information from there. I'd say 9 out of 10 people who would respond would likely not fit your criteria or are simply responding because they are here not for information but instead to jerk off. *shrugs*
--LT
Re: Please could members please help with university study
Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:23 am
by smoothie36 (imported)
Most body hair has disappeared except face, and pubes (which seems thinner). Leg hair completely gone and very light silky arm hair. Hair loss on head seems too have diminished.
Re: Please could members please help with university study
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 4:20 am
by nullorchis (imported)
A clinical study in my opinion would be more detailed if participants testosterone measurements were well documented.
A person can truthfully say they are castrated, yet, perhaps be using T replacement to some degree.
Even castrated there can be variations in T levels.
I am not castrated but my natural T level is at eunuch level.
I use a low dose of T replacement.
On two counts I would not qualify for the survey.
Yet my body hair is thinning.
Re: Please could members please help with university study
Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:09 am
by paulroberts (imported)
Thanks for your input smoothie36, can you explain more about the hairloss, has it totally stopped? how about armpit hair, is that still there?
Ahh fair enough Nullorchis, thankyou for your input