Can anyone give some good advice on the best way to lose weight when you have no testosterone?
Since it happened I initially lost 16lbs in muscle then over the following two years put on about 40lbs, almost entirely in abdominal fat it would seem. My diet to begin with wasn't great but when I have tried to cut back it seems to have little effect.
If I go walking a mile or two a day and eat less then after a few days I may notice a couple of pounds less but it is nothing dramatic. Same if I fast for a day or two, but I'd rather not do that.
Is there any diet I can follow that will ensure weight loss? Btw if you are going to suggest strenuous exercise forget it as I have a lost a ton of muscle and strength in my arms and legs.
Controlling/reversing weight gain
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Re: Controlling/reversing weight gain
-less red meat, more white meats(chicken and fish)
-breads must be sprouted,low gluten and low glycemic. Also consume carbs in adequate fair amounts(caution here cause breads advertised as whole wheat aren't really whole wheat. its just bread with brown food coloring, this includes the type of pasta noodles you buy)
-nuts
-fruits, legumes, veggies and yams
-greek yogurt or yougurt with heavy good bacterial cultures
-cook with olive, sunflower or virgin coconut oil
-take multivitamin supplements once per day
-cut out milk entirely. you can gain your phosphate and calcium with almond milk, hemp milk
-sleep
-split you meals(5 or 6 smaller portions per day.), but don't overdue calorie intake. its the quality of calories that matter per meal(If you are dedicated with this bring a big luchbox with you that contains what your going to eat for the day)
-exercise(cardio will tone, weight lifting will add muscle)-doesnt have to be much but stay fairly active such as go for long walks
-cut out pop and junk food entirely
-don't get suckered into outside restaurants for healthy food. foods contain preservatives and msg
- Also do not yo-yo diet. you will lose fat but you will loose protein from body and hence current muscle tissue because there's no food source to extract the essential nutrients. The body is resilient but not that resilient to hunger. what happens overtime if you yo-yo diet is your body will slowly eat itself out. This is similar to what happens to anorexics. except you are not depriving yourself entirely of food .
when the time comes to eat however your body doesn't use the meal efficiently and will digest it partially. the rest gets stored as fat. Its part of the flight and fight metabolic response mechanism we humans have.
-breads must be sprouted,low gluten and low glycemic. Also consume carbs in adequate fair amounts(caution here cause breads advertised as whole wheat aren't really whole wheat. its just bread with brown food coloring, this includes the type of pasta noodles you buy)
-nuts
-fruits, legumes, veggies and yams
-greek yogurt or yougurt with heavy good bacterial cultures
-cook with olive, sunflower or virgin coconut oil
-take multivitamin supplements once per day
-cut out milk entirely. you can gain your phosphate and calcium with almond milk, hemp milk
-sleep
-split you meals(5 or 6 smaller portions per day.), but don't overdue calorie intake. its the quality of calories that matter per meal(If you are dedicated with this bring a big luchbox with you that contains what your going to eat for the day)
-exercise(cardio will tone, weight lifting will add muscle)-doesnt have to be much but stay fairly active such as go for long walks
-cut out pop and junk food entirely
-don't get suckered into outside restaurants for healthy food. foods contain preservatives and msg
- Also do not yo-yo diet. you will lose fat but you will loose protein from body and hence current muscle tissue because there's no food source to extract the essential nutrients. The body is resilient but not that resilient to hunger. what happens overtime if you yo-yo diet is your body will slowly eat itself out. This is similar to what happens to anorexics. except you are not depriving yourself entirely of food .
when the time comes to eat however your body doesn't use the meal efficiently and will digest it partially. the rest gets stored as fat. Its part of the flight and fight metabolic response mechanism we humans have.
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Re: Controlling/reversing weight gain
For me, when I started out to loose the extra weight Ive added on after my Orchiectomy. I started with a program called "Body by Vi" its part of a MLM, but I dont even entertain the idea of getting people to buy it from me, I just use it.
I've gotten very serious about my bike riding. anywhere from 40-80 miles is not an issue for me to ride on my road bicycle.
Also Ive not had a single soda in anyway shape or form in over 2 years.
Portion control and Calorie control seem to be a good thing for me as well.
in the past 7 months Ive managed to loose 37 lbs, My Dr. has removed most of my meds, and removed me from the "Obese" category and my BMI is now 26.2 just 13 lbs to go. and I will be in the "normal range" again.
Ken
I've gotten very serious about my bike riding. anywhere from 40-80 miles is not an issue for me to ride on my road bicycle.
Also Ive not had a single soda in anyway shape or form in over 2 years.
Portion control and Calorie control seem to be a good thing for me as well.
in the past 7 months Ive managed to loose 37 lbs, My Dr. has removed most of my meds, and removed me from the "Obese" category and my BMI is now 26.2 just 13 lbs to go. and I will be in the "normal range" again.
Ken
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Re: Controlling/reversing weight gain
thats is really awesome Eunuken, takes guts , dedication and willpower to aim to be ones best.
Im being super healthy atm but once I go on estradiol I know it will affect my metabolism and resting metabolic rate. so ill have to exercise like my mother continously on the treadmill.
Funny thing about pop, if I try it its soo sweet it actually sickens me. and there have been ocasions where if smebody offered me a energy drink ill puke it back out. its weird once you go off all that junk how much poison youve actually ingested
Im being super healthy atm but once I go on estradiol I know it will affect my metabolism and resting metabolic rate. so ill have to exercise like my mother continously on the treadmill.
Funny thing about pop, if I try it its soo sweet it actually sickens me. and there have been ocasions where if smebody offered me a energy drink ill puke it back out. its weird once you go off all that junk how much poison youve actually ingested
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Re: Controlling/reversing weight gain
You could take small amounts of T to burn that extra fat. I only used it a few times while exercising to avoid too much weight gain. You need to take a pretty small amount to burnthe fat, but not too much to gain any maleness.
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Re: Controlling/reversing weight gain
Carbohydrates are the things that control weight. Your body puts on weight when your blood sugar spikes, because it needs to rid itself of the excess sugar in your bloodstream and thus stores it as body fat. As such, in order to lose weight, you need to familiarize yourself with something called the glycemic index. And you need to avoid all foods that fall into the "high" category. (These are the foods that quickly raise your blood sugar, and as such lead to storing that sugar as fat.)
Contrary to what common wisdom is, (well, at least what the common wisdom started to be around the 1970's,) eating foods that are high in fat will not make you fat. In fact, lipids and proteins have pretty much no effect on body weight whatsoever, as these foods have little to no effect on blood sugar. Energy from proteins and fats is released very slowly, and takes much more energy for the body to break down than sugars... as such, it will not enter your bloodstream fast enough to be stored as fat.
If you want to lose weight, I recommend something called the "Paleo" diet, which is based off of the hunter-gatherer diet that humans were living off of for hundreds of thousands of years before farming changed everything within the most recent 1% of our existence. So to lose weight, here is what I would recommend:
EAT:
-Meat (preferably grass-fed, as it has the proper ratio of Omega-3's to Omega-6's because it wasn't fattened up on corn.)
-Poultry (preferably free-range, as again this means proper balances of fats instead of Omega-6's)
-Fish (Wild-caught preferred, as it is absolutely loaded with heart-healthy and brain-healthy Omega-3's.)
-Eggs (free-range.)
-Nuts (sparingly. They are good in moderate doses, but can interfere with weight loss in high doses.)
-Most vegetables, especially leafy greens.
-Extra-Virgin cooking oils. Especially recommend coconut oil, which is some of the healthiest stuff you can eat. Extra-virgin olive oil and grass-fed butter are okay, but not quite as healthy.)
-Low-GI fruits (mainly cherries, berries, apples, and citrus fruit.)
AVOID:
-Any dairy products originating from cows, especially grain-fed cows. It is loaded with carbs, and studies have shown that its acidity actually makes bones weaker.
-All grains, especially any refined factory-farmed grains. These are NOTHING but carbs, and gluten is one of the worst things you can eat health-wise. Avoid all wheat, corn, rice, oats, and the like. If you absolutely have to eat bread, sprouted-grain bread is passable, as it has a GI value of about 35, when compared to 73 for your basic American white bread and 71 for your basic supermarket whole-wheat bread. Pretty much all cereal grains have glycemic index values of 60 or higher, and as such really need to be avoided.)
-ANYTHING with added sugar. If you absolutely have to use sugar in something, use natural lower-GI sources like honey or maple syrup, and even then only in extreme moderation. Avoid all processed sugar like the plague, especially anything with high-fructose corn syrup, which is by far the worst thing that you can consume when it comes to weight gain. This is the category that is making America fat. Our sugar intake is absolutely out of control.
-Beans, including all soy products. While beans do have a lot of protein, they also have very high amounts of carbs. This is probably the least-important category on this list, though. Everything else is much worse.)
-Potatoes. Again, all carbs.
-Corn.
-High-GI fruits. (Mainly melons and tropical fruits like bananas and pineapples. While these are indeed much more nutritious than the foods above, they still have a bit too much sugar in them.)
-All high-temperature extracted cooking oils. (corn oil, vegetable oil, peanut oil, sunflower oil, canola oil. The high temperatures required to extract this oil actually breaks down its structure and turns it into a serious carcinogen. And whatever you do, PLEASE avoid all hydrogenated oil of every kind. This will not make you fat, but it will break down the very cell membranes of your body by replacing natural body fats with itself, weakening your immune system, insulin receptors, cancer-fighting enzymes, hormone-production systems, and the structure of your arteries. I'm serious about this. If ANYTHING has hydrogenated fat of any kind, avoid it like the plague.)
CASE STUDY:
Me and my girlfriend both went on this exact diet about 2 years ago. She started at 215 lbs, and within 6 months she was down to 165 lbs. She has backed off on being rigorous about it more recently, but has stuck to most of the principles, and is now down to 153 lbs. I started at 285 lbs. I stayed on the diet until I started working at Wal-Mart 4 months later, and was down to 245 lbs until I started cheating. It works. We lost a combined 102 lbs on this diet in the course of about a year. And we ate as much fat as we wanted... bacon for breakfast every day, butter dripping from all of our vegetables, and steak, steak, and more steak. All you really have to do is give up grains, starch, and sugar.
If you have questions about other foods to eat or avoid, check the glycemic index list. You can eat pretty much unlimited quantities of any food with a GI value of 20 or less, foods with values from 20-35 or so can be eaten regularly, 35-45 can be eaten in moderation, and anything above 45, avoid. If you can't stick to the diet 100%, you are allowed to add a "Cheat day" where you can eat absolutely anything that you want. Both me and my girlfriend did this, and it still worked.
Contrary to what common wisdom is, (well, at least what the common wisdom started to be around the 1970's,) eating foods that are high in fat will not make you fat. In fact, lipids and proteins have pretty much no effect on body weight whatsoever, as these foods have little to no effect on blood sugar. Energy from proteins and fats is released very slowly, and takes much more energy for the body to break down than sugars... as such, it will not enter your bloodstream fast enough to be stored as fat.
If you want to lose weight, I recommend something called the "Paleo" diet, which is based off of the hunter-gatherer diet that humans were living off of for hundreds of thousands of years before farming changed everything within the most recent 1% of our existence. So to lose weight, here is what I would recommend:
EAT:
-Meat (preferably grass-fed, as it has the proper ratio of Omega-3's to Omega-6's because it wasn't fattened up on corn.)
-Poultry (preferably free-range, as again this means proper balances of fats instead of Omega-6's)
-Fish (Wild-caught preferred, as it is absolutely loaded with heart-healthy and brain-healthy Omega-3's.)
-Eggs (free-range.)
-Nuts (sparingly. They are good in moderate doses, but can interfere with weight loss in high doses.)
-Most vegetables, especially leafy greens.
-Extra-Virgin cooking oils. Especially recommend coconut oil, which is some of the healthiest stuff you can eat. Extra-virgin olive oil and grass-fed butter are okay, but not quite as healthy.)
-Low-GI fruits (mainly cherries, berries, apples, and citrus fruit.)
AVOID:
-Any dairy products originating from cows, especially grain-fed cows. It is loaded with carbs, and studies have shown that its acidity actually makes bones weaker.
-All grains, especially any refined factory-farmed grains. These are NOTHING but carbs, and gluten is one of the worst things you can eat health-wise. Avoid all wheat, corn, rice, oats, and the like. If you absolutely have to eat bread, sprouted-grain bread is passable, as it has a GI value of about 35, when compared to 73 for your basic American white bread and 71 for your basic supermarket whole-wheat bread. Pretty much all cereal grains have glycemic index values of 60 or higher, and as such really need to be avoided.)
-ANYTHING with added sugar. If you absolutely have to use sugar in something, use natural lower-GI sources like honey or maple syrup, and even then only in extreme moderation. Avoid all processed sugar like the plague, especially anything with high-fructose corn syrup, which is by far the worst thing that you can consume when it comes to weight gain. This is the category that is making America fat. Our sugar intake is absolutely out of control.
-Beans, including all soy products. While beans do have a lot of protein, they also have very high amounts of carbs. This is probably the least-important category on this list, though. Everything else is much worse.)
-Potatoes. Again, all carbs.
-Corn.
-High-GI fruits. (Mainly melons and tropical fruits like bananas and pineapples. While these are indeed much more nutritious than the foods above, they still have a bit too much sugar in them.)
-All high-temperature extracted cooking oils. (corn oil, vegetable oil, peanut oil, sunflower oil, canola oil. The high temperatures required to extract this oil actually breaks down its structure and turns it into a serious carcinogen. And whatever you do, PLEASE avoid all hydrogenated oil of every kind. This will not make you fat, but it will break down the very cell membranes of your body by replacing natural body fats with itself, weakening your immune system, insulin receptors, cancer-fighting enzymes, hormone-production systems, and the structure of your arteries. I'm serious about this. If ANYTHING has hydrogenated fat of any kind, avoid it like the plague.)
CASE STUDY:
Me and my girlfriend both went on this exact diet about 2 years ago. She started at 215 lbs, and within 6 months she was down to 165 lbs. She has backed off on being rigorous about it more recently, but has stuck to most of the principles, and is now down to 153 lbs. I started at 285 lbs. I stayed on the diet until I started working at Wal-Mart 4 months later, and was down to 245 lbs until I started cheating. It works. We lost a combined 102 lbs on this diet in the course of about a year. And we ate as much fat as we wanted... bacon for breakfast every day, butter dripping from all of our vegetables, and steak, steak, and more steak. All you really have to do is give up grains, starch, and sugar.
If you have questions about other foods to eat or avoid, check the glycemic index list. You can eat pretty much unlimited quantities of any food with a GI value of 20 or less, foods with values from 20-35 or so can be eaten regularly, 35-45 can be eaten in moderation, and anything above 45, avoid. If you can't stick to the diet 100%, you are allowed to add a "Cheat day" where you can eat absolutely anything that you want. Both me and my girlfriend did this, and it still worked.
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Re: Controlling/reversing weight gain
Thanks guys.
So no pasta, bread or potato fires? Funny, when you look at the stats on a loaf it appears to have low calories and saturated fat.
I'll need to try it, because I really am incapable of exercise apart from long walks.
What do you have to drink? I avoid soft drinks now but still have tea or coffee with milk. Is alcohol a no go?
Any examples of a menu of meals you have? Sorry if I'm being greedy. btw I only cook meat with a George Foreman grill now.
So no pasta, bread or potato fires? Funny, when you look at the stats on a loaf it appears to have low calories and saturated fat.
I'll need to try it, because I really am incapable of exercise apart from long walks.
What do you have to drink? I avoid soft drinks now but still have tea or coffee with milk. Is alcohol a no go?
Any examples of a menu of meals you have? Sorry if I'm being greedy. btw I only cook meat with a George Foreman grill now.
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not all carbs are bad cheetaking.
grains are finicky only bc its so damn hard to find proper non-gluten, low GI, and non antibiotic treated breads.
There are some starches I eat but only cause they are low GI and very nat such as sweet potatoes.(i just bake them and eat the skin too)
flaxseed sprouted grains(again handmade non bought, i go to hippies who offer me the raw stuff and its a pain in the ass to make bread)
most people don't realize how bad commercial bread really is. loaded with antibiotics, preservatives and is even bleached!!!!. the germ is washed away during the bread making process.I think the worst is that shitty wonder bread lol
As for hydrogenated oils I stay away from them. Monounsaturated is the way to go. it expensive though. but sigh....being healthy comes at a price.
Though coconut oil is saturated it has these cool polypetide chains called MCT chains. they have ketogenic effects it seems. Theres a supplement i use to use called MCT oil whenever i did cardio. just a spoon a day. though i stopped doing this till i realized that virgin coconut oil contains the same stuff with added benefit of improving the immune system
I know about the paleo diet though. And I agree with you cheetaking it's amazing. I still incorporate some beans in my diet though. black beans for example. the controversy with beans are lectins and the paleo diet tries to avoid them altogether calling them non foraged foods. thing is if you cook beans right you can deactivate the lectins.
Furthermore lectins affect everyone differently. some people are allergic to certain lectins. others aren't.
Also Curious77 for drink I drink a nice cup of green tea and as a sweetener I use stevia. Other than that its plain old water for me
grains are finicky only bc its so damn hard to find proper non-gluten, low GI, and non antibiotic treated breads.
There are some starches I eat but only cause they are low GI and very nat such as sweet potatoes.(i just bake them and eat the skin too)
flaxseed sprouted grains(again handmade non bought, i go to hippies who offer me the raw stuff and its a pain in the ass to make bread)
most people don't realize how bad commercial bread really is. loaded with antibiotics, preservatives and is even bleached!!!!. the germ is washed away during the bread making process.I think the worst is that shitty wonder bread lol
As for hydrogenated oils I stay away from them. Monounsaturated is the way to go. it expensive though. but sigh....being healthy comes at a price.
Though coconut oil is saturated it has these cool polypetide chains called MCT chains. they have ketogenic effects it seems. Theres a supplement i use to use called MCT oil whenever i did cardio. just a spoon a day. though i stopped doing this till i realized that virgin coconut oil contains the same stuff with added benefit of improving the immune system
I know about the paleo diet though. And I agree with you cheetaking it's amazing. I still incorporate some beans in my diet though. black beans for example. the controversy with beans are lectins and the paleo diet tries to avoid them altogether calling them non foraged foods. thing is if you cook beans right you can deactivate the lectins.
Furthermore lectins affect everyone differently. some people are allergic to certain lectins. others aren't.
Also Curious77 for drink I drink a nice cup of green tea and as a sweetener I use stevia. Other than that its plain old water for me
Re: Controlling/reversing weight gain
I've eaten a radically low carb diet since 2006 for control of T2 diabetes.
Of course, I do throw caution to the wind now and again and splurge, but not often. Perhaps once a month.
I agree with most of what is posted. I do tend to avoid grains, and I use raw Stevia for sweetener.
I also tend to indulge with beans, as the carb count (especially when combined with some dry, red wine) do NOT in fact spike my blood sugar.
I dropped about 60 lbs. this way, put on 10 in new muscle (unfortunately, in my legs/thighs), and have kept it off for that long.
The big three to avoid: Grains & all related products, sugars, and rooty vegetables except for the occasional sweet potato or carrot.
Of course, I do throw caution to the wind now and again and splurge, but not often. Perhaps once a month.
I agree with most of what is posted. I do tend to avoid grains, and I use raw Stevia for sweetener.
I also tend to indulge with beans, as the carb count (especially when combined with some dry, red wine) do NOT in fact spike my blood sugar.
I dropped about 60 lbs. this way, put on 10 in new muscle (unfortunately, in my legs/thighs), and have kept it off for that long.
The big three to avoid: Grains & all related products, sugars, and rooty vegetables except for the occasional sweet potato or carrot.
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Before I started my crazy need to become healthy I was a slob, ate nothing but junk food(litte caesars pizza, gosh those crazy breads were addictive with cheese dipping sauce) and all of a sudden I as wearing a 35 inch waistline pants.
I stopped this around 19ish and turned my life around. Now waistline is 28-30ish though still haven't found a way to tone thighs. they keep on getting muscular.(pinch them and theres barely any subcutaneous fat) everything else though remains well boyish.
NB = I hate it when my sister calls me thunder thighs. Also my fat initially accumalates in my thighs first before my belly
I stopped this around 19ish and turned my life around. Now waistline is 28-30ish though still haven't found a way to tone thighs. they keep on getting muscular.(pinch them and theres barely any subcutaneous fat) everything else though remains well boyish.
NB = I hate it when my sister calls me thunder thighs. Also my fat initially accumalates in my thighs first before my belly