Slavery and the Confederacy

[MacTheWolf (imported)]

While researching Confederate officers during the War Between the States, I discovered that three of the most famous and efficient Confederate Generals were never slave holders.

The three were Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson and Jeb Stuart. In fact, all three men were abolitionists before the war started.

[Riverwind (imported)]

I think I remember from history as I know Mac was there I was not born yet, that Lee loved his state more then the country had it been the other way around the war might not have lasted very long.

Now back to that aged (really old) historian the Wolf.

River the younger, MUCH younger, centuries even.

[bobover3 (imported)]

People who don't smoke or drink can support the right of people to smoke or drink. It's a tantalizing footnote to history that these Confederates had no slaves and a past of abolitionism, while some authors of our Constitution were slaveholders. But there's a difference between what they chose to do and what they thought people had a right to do.

[moi621 (imported)]

Jewish persons were well represented in the Confederacy and Slave owners.

How do you suppose these families managed Passover / Pesach with a straight face.

Uber gentiles, P / P is the celebration of the Exodus and freedom from slavery, Moses and all that.

Lee was a Virginian first.

Referencing the country changed after the War Between the States from

These United States to The United States. A little nuance.

Moi

[A-1 (imported)]

Interesting to see a "SLAVERY" thread re-started, after the one that I started was closed. Let us re-visit how I started mine...

reading guy Seriously, SLAVERY...

I have an issue.

Just click on the hyperlink below...

CLICK HERE (http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/sla ... 98749.html)

Watch the video, run it forward to 29 min and 4 seconds , and look at the Homer Simpson slippers that are made by slave labor in China in Chinese prisons by Chinese Prisoners.

Now, how in the HELL can anybody look at this and the selling of those slippers to put on the feet of our children and sleep at night?

Better yet, watch the whole thing. Remember my joke about Paris Hilton and the bed in the other thread? What would you say if I told you that this was going on. Ever heard of the movie "Taken"? Did you know that the plot is plausable?

Furthermore, if they are making slippers what else are they making with slave labor? How can America compete with this? How can these jobs ever be put back in America?

Ever wonder why goods are so cheap at Wal Mart and those dollar stores?

How can you make a pair, right and left, of new rotors for the front of a full size American car, ship them here from China and sell them at the local discount auto supplier for 50 bucks unless the labor was cheap? Furthermore, the pads have a LIFETIME guarantee? How can they be making money on this?

Wonder what it costs to make those rotors in a Prison Labor shop in China.

THIS, is what the 1% who import goods from China must defend. How can they?

O.K. Bob/3, sag, Mac, Deacon Blues and all of the others, Dave, River, respond please. Jesus has told us of this many times.

COMMENTS?

BTW, has anybody heard anything of Punkypink since April?

[Uncle Flo (imported)]

BTW, has anybody heard anything of Punkypink since April?

I have been trying, unsuccessfully, to track her for several months. Perhaps, Jesus has some information that I do not have. --FLO--

[Riverwind (imported)]

She got mad because of? and left, to thin of skin, needs lots of growing yet I think, I am sorry she is not here.

River

[JesusA (imported)]

I have been trying, unsuccessfully, to track her for several months. Perhaps, Jesus has some information that I do not have. --FLO--

My last email exchange with Emily was on April 15th. I've just sent her a brief message and will report anything I hear back.

[A-1 (imported)]

People who don't smoke or drink can support the right of people to smoke or drink. It's a tantalizing footnote to history that these Confederates had no slaves and a past of abolitionism, while some authors of our Constitution were slaveholders. But there's a difference between what they chose to do and what they thought people had a right to do.

Let us explore this in more depth. The whole economy of the so called "Slave States" was built upon the institution of "slavery".

Sometimes the physical location of an individual, sometimes the economic realities and other times it was something else that made non-slave owners support slavery.

Let us not forget that owning these slaves entailed making a sizable investment or made one's family rich. Even in those days a strong, young slave could bring several thousand dollars. This was in a time when yearly income of some was less than the cost of said slave at a market. In fact, slaves were so expensive that it took several years wages for a poor white freeman to buy even one.

If slaves were taken from a plantation owner it was financial ruin for that owner. Some people would "breed" slaves to see like one would "breed" horses. In fact, owning slaves in the deep south could be correlated with owning horses...

Furthermore, if you were a poor man living in the south as a tradesman or even a sharecropper, or perhaps employed as a slave "overseer" the prevalent attitude unfortunately was, "...I may be poor but at least I am white and I ain't no nigger slave..." ...and with this all sorts of prejudices came along... especially if you saw some "house servants" who dressed, behaved and talked in a more sophisticated manner than did "poor white trash"...

There were many reasons why a non-slave owner supported the Confederacy. Some were financial, some were locational and some were purely prideful and prejudicial and based in jealousy...

[Riverwind (imported)]

Let us not forget the the north also had slaves and indentured servants up until the US declared independence and then some of them were grandfathered it so states like NY still had slaves of a sort until the 1800's.

It was a dirty business for sure and all sides profited from the slave trade.

Interesting point, in the Constitution they count slaves as 3/5th of a person, that was put in by the north not the south.

River