A long while back, before the alcohol injection started getting popular, we had looked at research regarding other injectibles. Lactic acid turned out to be dangerous due to chance of scrotal ulceration. Alcohol seems to be generally effective, but only after significant repetition -- some guys are at eight months and still injecting. Anyway, all of these ideas came from veterinary experiments and another viable injectible that was also considered was salt solution. Since then there has been further research on the method and it is gaining popularity for stray dog control.

Other injectibles like formalin is effective but has danger of allergic reaction, and zinc gluconate sterilized but doesn't necessarily castrate.

As we all know, regular saline is a fairly safe injection (in fact it is usually the the first thing given intraveneously when you enter a hospital) that won't generally cause damage. However, if the concentration of the salt is hypertonic, or if you use calcium chloride rather than sodium chloride, veterinary experiments are proving those to be quite effective castration methods -- effective meaning both testosterone and fertility elimination with minimum of pain, cost and danger.

Here is the latest research regarding calcium chloride, which is now getting into large scale neutering programs in third world countries due to the ease and low cost.

Even more effective than alcohol is calcium chloride. It is basically just a salt (even edible) but it is very effective at castration (single shot versus multiple for alcohol). There is a lot of veterinary literature on this, see: http://www.stray-afp.org/nl/wp-content/uploads/2012…

Here's some videos of them castrating dogs this way: http://vimeo.com/channels/316645. The dogs are obviously not experiencing much pain (not trying to lick their wound or anything) and their testicles are well on the way to shrinking away by 15 days after.

You can order the calcium chloride easily as it is a common food additive used for cheese-making and pickling. I suggest this one: http://www.amazon.com/Calcium-Chloride-Liquid-2-oz/… Sterilization would probably be needed via boiling, although highly saline solutions should generally be antibacterial in their own right (hence why pickles last so long, and salt has been used as a food perservative).

The main trick is to use at least 20% solution, and to make sure to infuse the whole testicle by continuing to release the solution as you draw the needle back out.

If you read the veterinary report I linked, you'll see that it caused the testicles to shrink to 1/20th the size (from 810mg/100g weight down to 42mg/100g weight)!

I'm not at all advocating any do-it-yourself method, however we know people will do it and might as well be informed. Like any method, issues like sterilizing the liquid injected, possibility of leakage causing ulceration of the scrotum, issues if the liquid enters the bloodstream, allergic reactions, etc. are possible.

There is other research showing that "hypertonic" solutions of regular salt similarly work, but didn't seem quite as definitive as the information on calcium chloride.

EA does not recommend that you try this. We do not recommend that you inject anything into your body. Just because someone else had luck with it does not mean that you will. Everyone's body will react differently to the same procedures. Your mileage may vary!

The Eunuch Archive and those posting in this thread assume NO responsibility for the outcome on YOU if you decide to try the procedures discussed here.

When I think of Calcium Chloride, it is in the winter. That's the white stuff people use instead of rock salt to melt ice and snow. I can imagine it is more corrosive than alcohol, but doesn't sound like a safer way to go. Just my thoughts about it...

It's also a firming agent you'll find in lots of canned vegetables. When eaten, yes it is a calcium derivative that your body can use. For instance, you'll find it in diced tomatoes and the like.

Thank you for starting another thread.

And although we don't advocate this, one has to wonder how much you'd need for it to work on a human?

The only thing I was able to find about it through Google was the use on stray dogs.

Paolo wrote: Mon Oct 22, 2012 5:39 pm It's also a firming agent you'll find in lots of canned vegetables. When eaten, yes it is a calcium derivative that your body can use. For instance, you'll find it in diced tomatoes and the like.

Thank you for starting another thread.

And although we don't advocate this, one has to wonder how much you'd need for it to work on a human?

The only thing I was able to find about it through Google was the use on stray dogs.

It has been studied in rats, rabbits, cats, dogs, goats and bulls. Just search according to each animal. Note that it was highly effective for everything except bulls, but that is probably due to the size of the testicles -- they injected 10cc into each, and also injected alcohol, and neither proved certain in bulls. But in goats and smaller it worked consistently.

In some of the veterinary papers, it mentions the amount used, I think by body weight. In most cases it mentions the amoung of calcium chloride in terms of mg (i.e. most conclude that 20mg per kg of body weight) but in the abstracts (the full articles sometimes need pay accounts on the pub sites) they don't always mention the liquid amount.

But in the study on goats here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15721661 It says: This study describes the induction of chemosterilization in three groups each of six adult male Black Bengal goats at 30 days after a single bilateral intratesticular injection of a calcium chloride (CaCl(2), 2H(2)O) solution at the doses of 10, 20 or 40 mg/kg body weight/testis, always in a 2 ml volume.

If you look at the videos though you can see they're using either 2cc or 3cc on dogs.

Guys, I noticed a really interesting result in calcium chloride castration -- you can dial in the amount of castration based on the concentration of the salt.

In the following paper on cats ( http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pd ... 8-7-39.pdf ) there are a number of charts showing the results at 60 days afterwards for serum testosterone. I can't post the chart here, but here is what the numbers show:

Control (no castration, just normal saline injected) = 0.75ng/mL

5% calcium chloride injection = 0.55ng/mL

10% calcium chloride injection = 0.38ng/mL

20% calcium chloride injection = 0.15ng/mL

surgical castration = 0.03ng/mL

This is a really interesting effect, as it means that you potentially could dial in the amount of castration you want.

Here are links to the full veterinary papers on the effect on a variety of animals:

dogs

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:28 pm : http://www.stray-afp.org/nl/wp-content/uploads/2012

/09/CaCl-2007-Jana-dogs-incl.-testosterone.pdf

goats

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:28 pm : http://www.stray-afp.org/nl/wp-content/uploads/2012

/09/CaCl-2005-Jana-calcium-chloride-goats.pdf

cats: http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pd ... 8-7-39.pdf

cats: http://www.parsemusfoundation.org/Parse ... cats_1.pdf

calves

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Mon Oct 22, 2012 3:28 pm : http://www.stray-afp.org/nl/wp-content/uploads/2012

/09/CaCl-1977-Koger-Bovine-Practitioner.pdf

Okay, here is an account from a guy I was conversing with back in 2006 to 2008 who claimed to use the method. I didn't witness it personally, so can't vouch for his testimony, but it seemed legit at the time.

Note that he used less quantity but higher concentration than recommended (0.5cc per testicle of 99% solution). Recommended is 2 to 3 cc per of 20%.

9/27/06:

A while ago we exchanged some messages

regarding Calcium Chloride injections as an option for

castration. I researched the Internet to find as much

information as possible regarding Veterinary use and

methods, but trying to equate it in terms of human

use, it hasn’t been that helpful.

I always considered the Burdizzo the more probable

option, but reading the most recent account of a guy’s

second failed attempt to get castrated by Burdizzo,

leads me to seriously question if it is really that

effective on humans. What I did take away from his

account is that this is something that just needs to

happen without too much thought and planning past

having the solution prepared and injection supplies

readily available.

I was able to obtain 99% pure Calcium Chloride and

made a maximum concentration solution, boiling the end

product for five minutes to kill any remaining

bacteria. I have just about 10cc stored and sealed

in a sterile bottle.

What I have to figure out is how much to inject and

should it be in one injection or multiple injections

of smaller amounts in different areas of the testicle.

My nuts are not that large, probably half the size of

a walnut, so it shouldn’t take that much solution to

flood the area. It would also seem logical that the

body’s natural reaction of sending fluid to an injured

area would help with dissemination. That also makes me

think that the solution would eventually make its way

to the seminal ducts leading out of the testicles

causing scaring there as well.

9/30/06

My plan - I am definitely doing this! I have

gone through making the solution, getting the

injection supplies, studied how to do it and prepared

myself for the result, Now, it’s just a matter of

when.

Your concern for precaution comes through loud and

clear! And having a buddy to monitor me continues to

raise enough of an issue that I think I have to deal

with it. I have two possible options, besides your

offer to monitor remotely, but they will take time to

work out.

So again, I get to the point of being completely

prepared, just to find myself needing to deal with one

more thing. Not to short change health and safety. But

none of this changes my first answer, yes, I am going

to do this!!

Thanks again for your help and I will keep you posted.

Obviously, when this does happen I will give you

details so you gain some knowledge to share with

others.

11/27/07

Some time ago we were exchanging info on

Calcium Chloride injections. After making up the

solution several times, I finally just did it one day

a couple weeks ago. As you suggested, I banded the sack to minimize

the seepage into my circulation. Probably a good idea

but I don’t know that I was able to leave it on long

enough to really make a difference.

I had two syringes with short needles each filled with

1/2 cc solution. I wanted hit the center of each

testicle and push the plunger without having to think

about it. That worked really well with the balls

restricted it took no effort to bury the needle in

each them.

I could feel the solution go in as a tingle. The real

reaction didn’t hit until after I removed the band at

the 20 minute mark. Within 30 minutes swelling set in

and my nuts ached.

The swelling diminished by the forth day. This is the second week and

there is no swelling or tenderness. My nuts are

somewhat smaller but feel different when I squeeze

them. Hard to describe, but they are definitely not

the same. I have refrained from ejaculating since the

injections. I am fairly sure the solution did

something but I don’t know if there would still be

residual remaining that I don’t want to force out of

the testicle. At some point, I am going to have to let

it go and see what happens.

Too soon to tell what the real effect might be. I am

happy I finally did it and make it through without

apparent complications, at least to this point.

I just wanted to give you an update as to what’s going

on and how I fared.

5/5/08

I thought I would update you on my progress. I believe

the injections works perfectly. As of last week my

sperm count was zero. I credit that to the calcium

chloride solution making it's way up my cords and the

resulting "burn" sealed them. During the process, my

cords were very swollen and sore for three days

indicating to me that the solution had traveled that

far from the testicles.

The better news is my testosterone level is down to

450 from 1100, well within normal rage for a man of my

age. I can definitely feel the difference, much calmer

and sexual drive under control. My testicles are

smaller and harder. I am sure from scar tissue. They

are obviously still living as my T-level would

indicate, just not producing in their previous over

active ways.

All is good for me. Just thought I would give you a

quick update. Hey, it might have sounded like an out

there solution, but it worked fine on me! Could not be

happier!

i find it amazing, to destroy the eggs with one shot of syringe! What a possibility!

The video link in my original post doesn't work, but same video can be found here

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:30 pm : http://www.parsemusfoundation.org/Parse ... gical_dog_

%26_cat_sterilization-_males.html

Also, here is a bovine study with a picture of the testicles after -- apparently shrunk down to 34g at slaughter time.

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Fri Oct 26, 2012 8:30 pm http://www.parsemusfoundation.org/Parse ... les_files/

1978%20ModVetPract59.2.119.pdf

Many thanks for a very interesting video SplitDik.