I did something stupid. I thought I was transgendered or maybe I am. Well I ordered sprionolactone and progynova to find out if it's the right thing. I wanted to experience the mental effects and if I would feel better. So I took 200mg spiro and 4mg progynova for around a week and it made me feel not that good. Had a dry mouth, headache and felt weak. OK I suppose it was a shock for my endocrine system, the side effects of spironolactone and maybe my dosages were to high. I also experienced weaker erections and a greatly reduced amount of ejaculate. I didn't think this would be possible in one week but apparently it is. Happened almost instantly over night. Like just a few drops of watery sperm dribbling out rather than the usual forceful jizz of plenty white sticky cum. My testicles also felt a bit softer somehow during that week and I think the left one got a tiny bit smaller. Can be my imagination but still..

Well that was over a month ago and I'm now in the position that I most likely will get a relationshp with a girl for the first time in my life. I don't want to screw this up because it's probably my only chance to find out what's wrong with me.

So I'm more insecure than usually because when I masturbate I still can feel that my erections are not as rigid as they once where. They're big and all and relatively easy to maintian but the rock-hardness is just missing and if I don't work it it goes down really fast. Definately faster than before. And my ejaculate is still not where it was before. It's more white again but it's still a bit watery and the amount is still greatly reduced and it only dribbles or shoots out a bit but it's not nearly as forceful as it once was.

So my question is how long this would take to be normal again or if it even will get normal again? I'm worried that she might notice because due to anxiety I had problems in the past to get an erection in bed with girls but now it's probably even more difficult and it messes with my confidence.

Don't get me wrong. I knew what I was doing or at least thought it. I just didn't expect such rapid changes and that they take that long to go away.

sorry for my bad english it isn't my native tongue

I am recovering myself from Androcur. Well, it is now almost 1,5 months and when I think I have recovered fully there are more little surprises coming.

Even from very short antiandrogen usage one must expect at least 1 month to recover from most changes. And it seems, that recovery could take 2 months and it will take even more from longer ime period antiandrogen usage.

About your girlfriend you should not worry. It is not your erection rigdness or amount of semen she is looking for. It is YOU! Forget all your physical shortcomings (that you think are shortcomings) you mentioned and concentrate on realtionship. Things tend to happen at their right time or little bit later. If you don't want to make her pregnant right away, then there is no worries. Let your body recover and feel confident.

While it isn't the same thing, I can relate on the issue of testosterone fall off and HRT resurgence then fall off again.

Just as my doctor at the time said, it took about a month for the T. to wash out of my system after the big "medical crash" as I'll call it.

I experienced my of the symptoms you mention, even radical hot flashes - and in the presence of witnesses!

I got on HRT, and it took about 4 weeks to kick in. Once I quit, it took about 3 or 4 to wash back out.

Give it time. Yes, you have shocked your system!

Spiro definitely can have those effects -- I personally never felt good on it. It is known to be a diuretic and will make you feel dried out, light-headed, and even actually stress your kidneys.

Spiro has a fairly short half life. It should be out of your system within a week or two. I wouldn't worry about it -- being with an actual girl is a lot different than masturbation, you won't have to worry about getting hard unless you have some actual vascular / erectile problem.

If you really want to go the other way (i.e. super stud) it is just as easy to get testosterone cream or a SERM (like Tamoxifen) online as it is to get Spiro. Order some of that, or even Viagra (I personally don't like it, but it does work).

littledevil666 (imported) wrote: Tue Oct 16, 2012 9:00 am I did something stupid. I thought I was transgendered or maybe I am. Well I ordered sprionolactone and progynova ..

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"Progynova tablets contain the active ingredient estradiol valerate." (from the web) Now this is one thing that will take some time. By mixing the two you may of mixed up you system and my need medical help to straighten out you system. Only time will tell.

erikboy (imported) wrote: Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:10 pm I am recovering myself from Androcur. Well, it is now almost 1,5 months and when I think I have recovered fully there are more little surprises coming.

Even from very short antiandrogen usage one must expect at least 1 month to recover from most changes. And it seems, that recovery could take 2 months and it will take even more from longer ime period antiandrogen usage.

About your girlfriend you should not worry. It is not your erection rigdness or amount of semen she is looking for. It is YOU! Forget all your physical shortcomings (that you think are shortcomings) you mentioned and concentrate on realtionship. Things tend to happen at their right time or little bit later. If you don't want to make her pregnant right away, then there is no worries. Let your body recover and feel confident.

Yeah I read your thread with great interest but since you took a way heavier dose of androcur I'm wonderding why I experienced such drastic changes in so little time. Most reports on sprio indicate that it takes long before anything will happen. Ok but then there is the estrogen...

It's just that the gid and that recent trial is messing with my confidence as a guy. I'm just seeing this as a chance to figure out myself and what I want. I just had little to no luck with girls in the past and that may relate to my gid but this is the perfect chance to try things out and I don't want to mess up and I crave for a relationship. It just gets messe

SplitDik (imported) wrote: Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:11 pm d up when gender identiy and orientation don't match.

Spiro definitely can have those effects -- I personally never felt good on it. It is known to be a diuretic and will make you feel dried out, light-headed, and even actually stress your kidneys.

Spiro has a fairly short half life. It should be out of your system within a week or two. I wouldn't worry about it -- being with an actual girl is a lot different than masturbation, you won't have to worry about getting hard unless you have some actual vascular / erectile problem.

If you really want to go the other way (i.e. super stud) it is just as easy to get testosterone cream or a SERM (like Tamoxifen) online as it is to get Spiro. Order some of that, or even

Viagra (I personally don't like it, but it does work).

Yeah spiro doesn't seem to be ideal but somehow every transgirl is using it. Maybe because it's so cheap. I don't want to become extremely masculine. I just experience gender identiy disorder sympthoms and my male socialication and rational mind hates me for it if that makes any sense. I crave to have a feminine body but like girls and I feel guilty about it and feel like a looser because it's hard to fit in with that but then I hate stereotypically male behaviour and masculine rituals. In short: I just don't know what I want and try to figure things out. It just feels like that limbo where you constantly switch between believing you are transgendered, doubts think it'S afetish/autogynephilia and then this strange chemical castration fetish.

I agree with the advice from EricBoy that you ought to concentrate on the relationship -- the girl as a person and potential partner -- and not the sex, and your sexual functioning. And please be careful not to put too much pressure on yourself (and the new girlfriend) to prove anything.

Your trial period of chemical castration was too short to make any change permanent. Give your body a little time and everything will return to normal. I had toyed with chemical castration on and off for many times over the course of 4 years, seeing whether I like the castrated feeling, and then letting my body return to normal and make sure if I like or dislike the return of testosterone. After several trials, I decided for the castrated state, but that's just for me. But because of these trials, I can assure you that libido and sexual functioning all do come back after about a month or two.

As to your questions about gender identity, do not feel alone or guilty or "feel like a loser". All of us here on this forum all have our own different questions about our gender roles. Take your time and learn about yourself, what is right for you. (I too changed from dating guys to girls, from being active to passive, and finally settling as a happy gay chemical eunuch.) There is no reason we need to follow any of the traditional masculine male / feminine female stereotypical roles. You just got to take time to understand yourself.

Instead of feeling like you are in limbo, enjoy the explorations, experimentation and the journey. And always remember, if you ever feel alone, come to this forum. There are many people like you, and have gone through similar journeys. I have found tremendous support from this forum.

We are all unique the way we are born, and we all have equal rights to be proud of who we are.

Thanks for the nice and wise words hkeunuch!

It's just that I tend to get paranoid with it or can't help to not think about it. You just notice something unusual and immediately there are doubts or thoughts about what might have caused it when in reality it's all in my mind. But I'm definately notice that my erections seem to be not as firm (well sometimes but not everytime), semen quantiy and quality still reduced and I thin that one testicle is smaller (well that could be my imagination because I never really measured them before but I alwys thought they were the same size). And then I headed out for a quick ride with the bike and well I pretty much sat around for one month and didn't work out like I usually do but I got winded pretty badly for me which is unusual. I sweated heavily, experienced shortness of breath and in the morning I feel extra tired lately. Well maybe my system still readjusts but I hope it gets back to normal quickly. I'm just surprised because I didn't assuma that these drugs are so powerful.

I know everything sounds naive but I'm just so confused with all this. Gid is driving me nuts I always try to convince my emotional side with my rational thinking that it's better/easier to stay a guy and that T is simply more practical but it just won't go away. For now I focus on the girlfriend because that's a chance I can't let slip away but I'm afraid all this bullshit will come back at me.