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Transgendered Lion

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:31 am
by JesusA (imported)
The National Geographic web site (link at the bottom of the post) leads, not only to the original text, but also to some excellent photographs (of course).

Rare Maned Lionesses Explained (http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com ... explained/)

by Christine Dell'Amore (http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com ... dellamore/)

National Geographic News (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/)

October 9, 2012

If it looks like a male lion (http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/a ... ican-lion/) and is perceived as a male lion—well, sometimes it isn’t. That’s the case of Africa’s unusual maned lionesses, which sport a male’s luxurious locks and may even fool competitors.

Though uncommon, maned lionesses have been regularly sighted in the Momba area of Botswana (http://travel.nationalgeographic.com/tr ... ana-guide/)‘s Okavango Delta (including the individual pictured below), where the lion population may carry a genetic disposition toward the phenomenon, according to Luke Hunter (http://www.panthera.org/people/luke-hunter-phd), president of the big-cat conservation group Panthera, which collaborates with National Geographic’s Big Cats Initiative (http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/big-cats/).

Hunter said it’s possible that maned lionesses in Momba are related—including a safari favorite named Martina, which disappeared in 2002.

Such masculine females likely occur when the embryo is disrupted, either at conception or while in the womb, he said by email.

“If the former case, the genetic contribution of the sperm—which determines the sex of the fetus in most mammals—was probably aberrant, giving rise to a female with some male characteristics.

“Alternatively and perhaps more likely, the problem may have occurred during gestation if the fetus was exposed to increased levels of androgens— male hormones such as testosterone.”

If a lion mother had abnormally high androgens during pregnancy, her female offspring may end up “masculinized”—a situation that occurs occasionally in people but which is rarely observed in wild animals.

Whatever the case, such lionesses would likely be infertile but otherwise “perfectly capable” of surviving, Hunter noted.

In fact, their manes may actually be a boon to the pride—for instance, if the female is perceived as a male, she may better defend kills from hyenas or the pride from attacks by foreign males. In the case of the pictured female, Hunter said, it seems like she’s treated as a lioness by the rest of the pride.

“It would be interesting to know if she behaved like a male,” he added. “Two similarly aberrant Serengeti lionesses were outwardly female—they did not have manes, but were almost male-sized, and they challenged and fought unfamiliar males for territories as though they were males!”

http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com ... explained/

Re: Transgendered Lion

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:27 pm
by Danya (imported)
A very interesting article with a provocative title. Just as in humans, the causal factors are not fully understood. The best we can do for now. If more such discoveries are made, especially in mammals, they may spur greater acceptance of transgender people. The lion example is so dramatic!

A minor point, but one that still concerns me: the use of 'transgendered' vs. 'transgender.' [See thread title.] How anyone, or any lion :), chooses to self-identify is a personal decision. Languages are always evolving and perhaps one day there will be popular and scientific agreement on the usage of transgendered versus transgender. There are certainly ongoing arguments about this. Nonetheless, recent publications from respected organizations favor 'transgender' over 'transgendered.' The World Professional Society for Transgender Health strictly adheres to 'transgender people' in version 7 (July 2012) of the Standards of Care (http://www.wpath.org/documents/SOC%20V7%2003-17-12.pdf). The National Gay and Lesbian Task Force (http://www.thetaskforce.org/issues/transgender) also uses 'transgender people.' The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation (GLAAD) media guide (http://www.glaad.org/reference/transgen ... 3785dfa0f3 461d) specifies the use of transgender as an adjective, listing transgendered as problematic. The Transgender Law and Policy Institute (http://www.transgenderlaw.org/)similarly refers to 'transgender people.' One might conclude from these sources that it would be reasonable to describe such an unusual lion as a 'transgender lion.' [The fact that I took the time to write this paragraph shows two things. The most important is that I've got way too much time on my hands (that will change when I start my new job Monday.) The second issue is my unnecessary justification for using 'transgender' below. :)]
JesusA (imported) wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:31 am The National Geographic web site (link at the bottom of the post) leads, not only to the original text, but also to some excellent photographs (of course).

The photos show how truly masculine these maned female lions look. Quite remarkable!
JesusA (imported) wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:31 am Rare Maned Lionesses Explained (http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com ... explained/)

by Christine Dell'Amore (http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com ... dellamore/)

National Geographic News (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/)

October 9, 2012If it looks like a male lion (http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/a ... ican-lion/) and is perceived as a male lion
—well, sometimes it isn’t. That’s the case of Africa’
JesusA (imported) wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:31 am s unusual maned lionesses, which sport a male’s luxurious locks and may even fool competitors.

One day, if we uncover more such examples in the animal world, this will no longer be considered 'weird and wild.' But rather further demonstrations of Jesus' (not THAT Jesus') signature about 'nature loves variety.'
JesusA (imported) wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:31 am Though uncommon, maned lionesses have been regularly sighted in the Momba area of Botswana (http://travel.nationalgeographic.com/tr ... ana-guide/)‘s Okavango Delta (including the individual pictured below), where the lion population may carry a genetic disposition toward the phenomenon, according to Luke Hunter (http://www.panthera.org/people/luke-hunter-phd), president of the big-cat conservation group Panthera, which collaborates with National Geographic’s Big Cats Initiative (http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/animals/big-cats/).

Hunter said it’s possible that maned lionesses in Momba are related—including a safari favorite named Martina, which disappeared in 2002.

Such masculine females likely occur when the embryo is disrupted, either at conception or while in the womb, he said by email.

“If the former case, the genetic contribution of the sperm—which determines the sex of the fetus in most mammals—was probably aberrant, giving rise to a female with some male characteristics.

“Alternatively and perhaps more likely, the problem may have occurred during gestation if the fetus was exposed to increased levels of androgens— male hormones such as testosterone.”

If a lion mother had abnormally high androgens during pregnancy, her female offspring may end up “masculinized”—a situation that occurs occasionally in people but which is rarely observed in wild animals.

Whatever the case, such lionesses would likely be infertile but otherwise
“perfectly capable”
JesusA (imported) wrote: Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:31 am of surviving, Hunter noted.

In fact, their manes may actually be a boon to the pride—for instance, if the female is perceived as a male, she may better defend kills from hyenas or the pride from attacks by foreign males. In the case of the pictured female, Hunter said, it seems like she’s treated as a lioness by the rest of the pride.

“It would be interesting to know if she behaved like a male,” he added. “Two similarly aberrant Serengeti lionesses were outwardly female—they did not have manes, but were almost male-sized, and they challenged and fought unfamiliar males for territories as though they were males!”

http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com ... explained/

Perhaps these maned lionesses are merely transgender in appearance while they exhibit normal female lion sexuality and behvaior. It would be great to know how male lions interact, sexually, with the maned females. Are the maned females receptive to male sexual advances? Do the males make any advances? Do some, or all, of the maned lionesses demonstrate male type sexuality or none at all? Do they tend to behave sexually as males in their interactions with unmaned females? Beyond that, I wonder if the social behavior of the maned lionesses is different. Do they join 'normal,' non-maned females on the hunt?

At lot of 'mays' and 'seems' regarding behavior here. That's to be expected, but it's too bad there is likely to be little funding to further explore what's going on with the maned lionesses.

Re: Transgendered Lion

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:08 pm
by gunnutz (imported)
Possible alternative explanation to this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemartin

I have seen it in goats and cattle most of the time the freemartin "heifers" are sold off before they mature so I do not know how they turn out, but in one case with goats a kid with female genitalia from a BBD birth developed with a bucks "structure" having a much more powerful front end than is typical of does. She was infertile but did have a properly formed vaginal canal and cervix most freemartins especially in cattle have a shorter vaginal canal.

For an idea of what I'm talking about

http://www.tlc-farms.com/images/tai2009.jpg Doe

http://www.mistyacreskennel.com/RavelTalking.JPG buck

I really wish this article had more detail or had its source materials posted.

I say trank some of these lions and check it out with a speculum.

Re: Transgendered Lion

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2012 3:53 pm
by janekane (imported)
Well, my mother was a High School English teacher, among other activities, prior to marriage, and her accuracy of language use may have affected me...

Among non-autistic parents of "children with autism, " the term, "autistic person" may be deemed offensive as compared to "person with autism." However, as an autistic person, one whose medical records apparently state that, for me, autism is a proven diagnosis, I am not a person with aliveness, I am an alive person. Is a dead person a person or or merely a corpse?

So, I separate conditions from processes. My condition is a transgender person if the topic is about what I am, and I am a transgendered person if the topic is about what I do.

Consider a flat panel artwork of the form commonly called "a painting." Ever observe a painting painting? Artists, while painting a painting may be painting an artwork.

So, for me to know whether a particular gender diversity person of the transgender realm is transgender or transgendered, I have to ask the particular person, that being so because I reckon that the greatest living expert on any specific individual person is the specific individual person; this being the simple consequence of the specific individual person having had more time as the specific individual person than has any other person.

A lioness with a mane? A triumph of the notion of independent assortment of genotypic and phenotypic traits? If so, Yippee!

What if biological diversity is actually normal?