This is a bit of a essay

I have been hanging around EA for some years now a year or two ago (or longer) I believe I completely chemically castrated myself a few years back, ie my finger nails broke easily, there was absolutely no ejaculate and even orgasms felt like a none event, and did not even feel that good, I basically end up feeling old which led to depression and eventually to a cessation. It did take some months but eventually everything came back to almost normal…I do not think my ejaculatory muscles are as strong as they once were but then I am now 47 and it might just be age that it does not quite squirt as hard, but other than that side..and more importantly the feeling of orgasm, ability to get hard and size all returned to normal.

But now my sex drive is driving me to depression itself mainly because my wife libido has dropped to nill since she had some hormonal implant to control her periods……so again I have decided to try something a little different….I have had a bit of a chastity fetish for many years now…its part of controlling my sex drive for me..I find if I jerk off too much I end up resenting my spouse, and even that in itself is depressing…and yet left to my own devices I can’t help myself…anyone interested in the steel cage I use look me up in personals, that’s my cage!!

So what I would really like to do it just temper my sex drive…and try to just take enough chems to reduce but not eliminate my testosterone…the reason why I mention the cage is because it is a integral part of my plan (btw my wife plays along with the caged cock to a degree but not in the traditional tease and denial DS its more like cage and ignore!!). Anyone that wears a cock cage at night finds out just how many times the cock does get hard during sleep time. During my last trial one of the indicators were that …YAY I slept through without the cock waking me in its cage trying to escape..lol…so the plan is to use the cock cage as a barometer, as soon as I sleep through, plan to ease off the chems until they just start coming back…and maintain a level that way. Last time I went to zero…and that was just too far for me, I need some sex drive, its the dynamo that drives me.

I also intend NOT TO TEST THE COCK to see if IT STILL WORKS…to many people who are on a mission to reduce their sex drive fall into a trap of testing it out, and all that dos is keep the orgasm expectation habit alive..…another good justification for keeping the cock out of hands reach so to speak…if you can’t use it you loose it (faster)……so the only time I am going to test it is when my wife takes pity on me….she will sometimes remember my caged state and let me have a stretch…not very often for sex but sometimes she will let me spoon her and rub one off on her arse (wearing a condom of course). I do not intend to tell her about the androcur although she knows about the Finasteride as it’s a common drug for hair loss. She of course knows I can’t fuck anyone or masterbate.

As I have said previously I did some research and found combining finasteride and androcur seems to be a very potent combination….when I took androcur by itself it seems to be must less effectual than when combined with finasteride….so again I will be combining these two.

I basically started this trial a few weeks ago…when I gave my wife the key to my cock lock…in two weeks she has let me rub one off once….and as a control …my cock would wake me 5-7 times a night…and sometimes it hurts enough that I have to get up and walk around while it subsides before going back to sleep. Without the chems if you do a stint of 3 months or so limiting orgasms, then night wakening’s do reduce…to maybe 3-4 times per night.

I began taking 25mg of Siterone and 2.5mg of finasteride TWICE per day about 4 days ago.

Perhaps I was imagining it but even the first night I the wakings were less frequent, but after four days, last night I almost slept through. It seems that even with this such a relatively low dose a combination of the two drugs have already almost stoped night time erections……so now I plan to reduce the dose to just once per day…which is basically a 2 X standard hair dose of finasteride (normally 1mg per day), and 25MG of Siterone and see how I go.

I want to try and avoid the “old” feeling I felt ..and the dark moods…but just see if I can back the libido back a bit…it also makes the chastity thing a LOT more comfortable let me tell u. I also want to back off the finasteride as much as possible as I also feel that my mental processing ability is was in the past impacted slightly, I get a feeling of confusion more often than I should…but this trial I am trying to stop BEFORE I get to castration levels ..last time I was definitely THERE, and I am not sure if I really liked it there, just not for me…but I want my cake and be able to eat it too

I will let you know how I go, fail or not….

You should be cautious. Finasteride can produce results that are more extreme than you plan them to be and they do not always reverse when the drug is stopped. --FLO--

Uncle Flo (imported) wrote: Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:46 pm You should be cautious. Finasteride can produce results that are more extreme than you plan them to be and they do not always reverse when the drug is stopped. --FLO--

Thanks for the advice, I have read plenty on some of the reported cases of long term badness regarding finasteride as a treatment for hair loss....I have read one particular vocal individual who does seem to have had a really bad time however one does need to be careful of, that of the millions of people that take this drug for hairloss there may be some extreme cases where certain individuals are adversely effected, but by far in the majority cessation restores things to normal and have few side effects. In between my first chem trial and this one, I did indeed take finasteride by itself, and only perceived minor side effects and after cessation everything returned to normal. So at least for me finasteride by it self is of no/little concern. One of the reasons I did this was to see if the slam dunk I felt when i started taking it the first time was related to a combination effect or finasteride by itself. It was very clearly a combination effect

Looking at the chemistry, while siterone operates on Testosterone, finasteride operates on DHT which is a more potent form of testosterone, there is some evidence that taking Siterone by itself at least in the short term actually increases DHT because the action of Siterone is by not actually reducing testosterone but rather by being more favoured by testosterone receptors. Therefor free testosterone and conversion of testosterone to DHT actually increases until your gonads shut down from the lack of the very chemicals they produce. This may explain why I see a far quicker response to a combination of the two, not only that a far more potent result than either one by themselves.

Also as I said this is not the first time…the last time I did this the dose was MUCH higher, and I recovered OK, I don’t want to go there again to that level again…it was too much of a shock and it did take me to dark places….so hence why this time the dosage is so low and I am backing off well before I even get there.

As I am sure you would know the standard dose for an enlarged Prostate is finasteride 5mg, and for hair loss is 1mg per day, I am only taking a small dose somewhere in-between. which is now only slightly more than the dose prescribed for hair loss. The addition here is merely (now) 25mg of siterone which is 1/8 what some of the people in here take!!

All of that said I really do appreciate your experience and respect your advice…and I do heed your concern, my eldest son actually takes finasteride as prescribed by his doctor for hair loss @ 1mg per day, my wife and I had some heated discussion about this because I did not really want him taking it having read about that person (and some others) who had suffered so greatly....of course I lost the argument, the stress he was going through regarding his hair loss was extraordinarily high (despite his fathers devilish bare headed good looks), and as I said previously there are millions world wide taking this drug ….while I suspect he is slightly more prone to depression I am unable to detect any other adverse side effects with him…I did not want to point out some of these readings too him in case it panicked him into thinking it would occur to him. I have told him this much, that as he gets older he may want to let nature take its path, because I said to him long term use might not be in his best interest.

Presently I will continue taking just the 25mg of siterone and 2mg of Finasteride/day…if I feel my body shutting down further I will back off even further until I feel a slight bounce back…..I think my next step would be to cut the finasteride in half again.

Thanks for reading 

A bit of a update...

Well there is a definite effect in taking the two components together....I actually back off to just 1/4 tablet (about 12.5 mg) of Siterone and about 1.25Mg of finasteride per day.....as it became apparant that my night time arousals ceased. After a few days of this low dose last night I was woken by a strong hardon at about 4AM, so I have increased back to 25mg of Siterone but keeping Finasteride the same at 1.25 mg (1/4 of a 5mg tablet).

I asked my wife for my weekly opportunity to stretch, as per usual it was only just that....I did not have any trouble raising the flag....or even reaching climax...but what I would like to say is that I felt incredibly flat for a day or so later...like my libido had been drained flat...something that is not easy with me, normally i am ready to go again within 20 minutes..!!...it was actually depressing, i would almost rather not...except i needed it...one thing I noticed was when i put the ring back over by balls...i would swear they had shrunk from only a week??....I would have thought shrinkage after only a week simply impossible yet....it seemed to slip over easily ...where normally I need to push them through one at a time......I might be imagining it but alas I can not check now because I cant unlock myself. I guess I will have to wait till next time (maybe I will get some snatch for father day)...but i am not even sure if i want to feel so flat again...I seem Ok now the way I am..

I have been trying to rationalise this, why has the effect been so rapid, and why do changes to this method result in changes relatively quickly, while I am not a doctor of have any qualifications at all..what makes sense to me is that if only taking Siterone by itself, then one has to wait for the deprivation of testosterone to shut the gonads down before actually feeling the effect of both loss of testosterone and DHT, hence it takes a LONG time…and the key here is that what drives libido is BOTH testosterone and DHT....what I am doing is blocking the action of both DHT and Testosterone…..and the effect seems to complete the chem deal at least for me, ok and here comes the qualifying comment obviously what seems to be the case for me might complety fuck someone else up….and it still might me….

Right now it seems ok…I like the fact that this time….only taking minimal Siterone means that I keep my strength…I ride a bike 25KM per day…and I have noticed minimal changes in ability (but they are noticeable but not significant), I do not feel weak…and when it was needed the cock worked…What I really like is that I do not seem nearly as .....sexual....constant sexual thoughts as before......but they are still there, just weaker.

so far so good....that said I am aware of a darkness....my sex drive is what drives me...I am focusing on work (but if not for sex why the fuck work??)...and trying to divert my thoughts in another direction....disconecting the thoughts of sex from motivation.

Only took two days, and the night time arousals are completely gone again...so again I am backing off again to about 17.5mg +1.25mg, I am curious to see just how effective this method is and how fast it bounces back again...it would be interesting to measure it with a blood test, but I would not wish to invoke questions from the doctor. I have to admit its possible part of this could be in my mind…however I can’t control what happens in my sleep…and I sure know when it tries to get hard and when it doesn’t. I am not playing with massive dosage changes here…I am tweaking micro doses

Whilst I was on the initial higher dosage of 50MG +5MG of finasteride, it was not very long before I perceived a slight change in concentration…like a confusion when I was trying to have a conversation. This seems to have passed, although in the past just taking finasteride has left me feeling like my cognitive ability is reduced. I am not feeling this to the same degree this time (if even at all)…the only thing that I am doing this time is that a few months ago I started taking 2000Mg of omega-3 fish oil capsules daily….because I have fairly high triglycerides and was another reason why I started exercising regularly. This is perhaps offsetting some of these effects…or maybe I just want this to work…..but omega-3 is also suppose to be good for depression, so hopefully I am a good thing here as well.

In any case….what is important is it impacting my sexual thoughts? Will it make my life virtually without sex more bearable ….I think yes, so far anyway (but its too early to tell really), I usually make a fair amount of time to look at porn, I find myself still looking but becoming bored with it …to the extent where I am not even visiting some of my regular haunts, I am not even reading as many castration stories!!!…..also after 5 days without masturbating I would be climbing the walls……while I have a desire its not as keen, sharp, but I still would not trust myself without the cock cage…and I also think abstinence is an important part of addiction to sex withdrawal. Anyway so far no real feelings of weakness, or broken finger nails (too early for that though), and riding up hills may be a wee bit harder but I don’t feel old…except in the normal sense…

I am worried what will happen to my commitment if I have a row with the spouse over something that will leave me wondering why the fuck I bother….to try…..well I guess its inevitable in some respects. But I hope I don’t go off the rails.

I guess the only sad thing is here is to be stuck in a situation where a man is driven to what some would see as extreme measures to quash his sex drive….in order to stay in a harmonious marriage…

I am not sure if anyone is particularly interested in this but here goes

4 days on and even with the reduced (still just 17.5mg ¼ tablet of Siterone and about 1mg of finasteride) amount the cock still seems dead with absolutely no nocturnal attempts at arousal. Fathers day came and I actually risked taking a small amount of Viagra in case I could illicit some action from the wife. I say risk because being locked in a cock cage after Viagra while sleeping is paramount to inhumane torture (normally).

As it turns out while my wife was actually open to some activity, BUT she had forgotten that she had the key to my cock cage although she knows I was wearing it, and she did not know where it was, this led to me being a bit emotional after she told me it was my fault for not fixing her bed side lamp!!! (so guess what’s being fixed today!), although a bit differently I was not angry I was more upset and sad that after three weeks of me being on my best behaviour that she should know I would be up for some real action (ie not just a rub on her butt) and sorta felt she could have completed what was otherwise a really nice day…enuff about that…my behaviour was less than ideal…

The upshot is that with the help of Viagra I sure wanted to get hard…just couldn’t go anywhere…but still absolutely no attempts at erection while asleep….although in the morning after I apologised (even if I felt that my emotion was justified to a degree) and we had a really nice flesh to flesh hug…I could feel the effects of the Viagra making the cock try and get hard inside its cage……my wife promised to find the key today…so maybe I will find out if it still works properly tonight.

So at least I know it still works in as far as trying to get hard.

I notice my beard growth has lessened only in as much it seems easier to shave in the morning like a afternoon shave after 12 hours rather than a 24 hour shave, and I have noticed at times a slight mental confusion while having a conversation, but not with my own…technical thoughts. I do not feel weak at all…but a bit of tiredness not much. Other than the emotion I felt last night…I would say my libido remains..but is reduced…again…the mental aspects tend to follow over time so any of this might be in my imagination…but I do think the edge is not quite so sharp.****edit the other thing I forgot to mention is that I have noticed consistantly is waking up feeling really cold and being all sweaty...usually I am hot in my bed and I need to stick my feet out to stay cool...this is weird...and I dont remeber anyone else reporting this, usually only happens once per night and I can curl up and seem to get to sleep again and wake up feeling normal***

I am going to try and cut back the finasteride…but its actually getting physically difficult to cut the tablets now…lol I am already cutting a 5mg tablet in to quarters..into eighths they tend to crumble

I remain surprised at how potent the combination seems to be…I am tempted to cut the finasteride off completely and see if just taking ¼ Siterone begins to rebound….I can’t believe such tiny amounts of these are keeping the cock soft, there has to be some point where reduction rather than cessation results in a rebound.

A quick update, I did get to try the cock out on Monday night....it worked without any problem with the help of some viagra...then I could not sleep...so normally after taking some V, I would easilly manage another, and since i was bored I tried again....I did get there but it was defintly not real interested....

What surpised me is the foul mood I was in the next day....I mean I was foul and feeling misrable and biting everyones head off....other than that I was pretty normal, it was like having a orgasm left me feeling dead flat and depressed.

Of course I am sticking to my regiem and stuck the cock cage back on again and by the next day I was feeling reasonable again the flatness from the day before passed....all of this week there are no sign of night time arousal or morning. I have stoped the finasteride entirely now and just taking 17mg now of the other...for the last three days..and still absolutely no sign. I even put a extra long blunt spike in the cage which I would not normally DARE use to sleep in because getting a woody would hurt let alone the normal 5 wakenings per night that I was used to without the chems....but the early woody warning system has not yet gone off....not even once...

My nipples have been sensitive the last few days....but I wonder how that could be with such a low dose...the slight mental confusion has vanished, and my body feels normal now...except for the cock that still seems in suspended animation...

I am going to keep to 17mg for another week to see if my system starts to reboot, if not I will half the 17 again...there has to be a point where it starts to bounce...the speed of which this combo has teken effect has taken me by surprise although right now I think i am achieving what I am set out to do is just back off a bit without killing it, avoid the pitfalls and side effects (not entirely true but entirely managable).....but I would feel a bit more comfortable feeling a slight bounce back at this point.

Your thread is good mate. Any in-depth conversation of the types of experimentation you discuss with your libido is interesting. It's a very complicated subject and there is certainly no right or wrong for each person, so it's enlightening to get people's view points.

Just on the amount of meds you take; how do you take 12.5 mg or 25 mg of androcur for example? Like with me the smallest pill I can get is 50 mg. Or do you just cut them up?

I feel that 50 mg is definitely too much on a daily basis, especially if I only want it to stop myself from being an idiot in regards to chasing sex, paying for it with pros. So I would be intrigued to look into the lesser dosage.

Thanks for your question. Yes the 50MG pills are easy to break into Quarters hence the 17mg per day dose. The finasteride came in 5MG tablets but are much harder to break into quarters....although now I have stopped taking the finasteride at least until I see a slight bounce. Night and morning errections are still absolutely non existant. I also strongly believe that abstinance is contributing to what is becoming a calming effect although initially that is difficult.....so if I can be blunt if you can't keep your hand off it like me...a cock cage is a good thing, plus as I have said it serves as a good barometer (barometer measures pressure..and that is such an appropriate description lol). I am/was limiting myself to one spurt per week....I think this cycle I will try and make it two weeks...plus I don't know if that was what made me feel so down last time (post spurt depression)....i think i would rather not anyway now if it happens again....

At least my nipples are not nearly as sensitive as they were a few days ago...normal in all other ways, I ma riding a bike about 15-20Km-day..and keeping up the 2000mg of fish oil

Initially I was taking 25MG and 2.5MG Finasteride twice per day...then backed off very quickly as I felt the effects. The first time I did this (a few years ago) I toook 50mg/day Androcure no finasteride for much much longer before I felt any effects, I have always been relatively conservative....it was only frustration with lack of effect the first time that let me to mix in a bit of finasteride and it was a bit like someone wacked me with a sledge hammer.

I feel like I am trying to get myself off a really serious addictive drug, indeed it might be a good analogy.

Thanks for the feedback mate. It might be something I look into in the future; a kind of microdosing on Androcur. Just depends on how I am feeling and so forth. The main thing I believe, is that we have options.

Just on the whole issue of keeping your hand of it. Is it a general masturbation problem or a porn addiction? With me it is only the latter, so I keep away from that and I am fine. Fortunately I live on my own and can choose to be without internet access. Obviously if I had a family the situation would be highly problematic in that way, cause it is seen as essential these days for people to have home internet access.