>>I've not commented about Penn State for a variety of reasons.

>>But tomorrow will be the day that judgment is pronounced on Penn State.

>>It's not going to be gentle...

>>I think that any Board Members who were there when they let Paterno run them instead of the other way around should resign.

>>Too many students will share this shame when when they are innocent of any contact with the football team other than to cheer at the games. That's the true shame of it. Penn State does lots of really good things academically.

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Report: PSU sanctions include ‘multi-year’ bowl ban, ‘crippling’ scholarship losses

Posted by John Taylor on July 22, 2012, 4:51 PM EDT

Site of Joe Paterno's statue is seen after its removal outside Beaver Stadium in State College, Pennsylvania AP

It may not be the death penalty but, as one previous report noted, Penn State may wish the looming NCAA sanctions had been.

With NCAA president Mark Emmert set to announce “corrective and punitive measures” for the Nittany Lions football program Monday morning, Yahoo!‘s Charles Robinson has added a little detail to the looming penalties. Per Robinson, the penalties, already described as “unprecedented,” will be “staggering.”

How staggering? A source told Robinson that the “sanctions will include a ‘multiple-year’ bowl ban and ‘crippling’ scholarship losses.” Additionally, Brett McMurphy of CBSSports.com tweeted that “Penn State will be fined [between] $30 million to $60 million,” with the “record fine [going] to endowment benefiting children causes.”

The exact number of years of being banned from postseason play — including the Big Ten championship game — and scholarship losses was not detailed in Robinson’s report. In the wake of the Reggie Bush imbroglio a couple of years ago, USC was slapped with historic sanctions that included a two-year bowl ban and the loss of 30 scholarships over three years.

Rivals.com recruiting guru Mike Farrell told Cory Giger of the Altoona Mirror that “f it’s 10-plus [scholarships stripped] for four years or five years, that’s absolutely crippling.” If it’s more than that?

“If it’s 20, you might as well give them the death penalty. That’s more than crippling. That’s a death blow,” Farrell said.

Based on the Freeh report and the incomprehensible cover-up of crimes against defenseless children, a death-blow may very well be warranted. And justified.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co ... s/related/

I wonder if their are enough colleges and universities that have finally had enough of the madness that is the NCAA, NO hearings, NO trial for the school, just a dictator running the show. So I ask again are their enough colleges and universities ready to tell the NCAA to go fuck themselves?

River

I'm not sure I know where to put my feelings on this. I hate to see students denied to go to a college like Penn State, because of a loss of athletic scholarships. Yet I understand the NCAA not wanting to support an institution that knowingly allowed children to be abused, and even regarded the abusers as saints and heroes.

In my mind there needs to be punishment. From what I've read on the subject, the University knew about the situation and actively tried to suppress the info.

It is a bad situation all around. Hopefully the NCAA will offer scholarships to those Penn State athletes so they can afford to go to another school. I really don't want to see any more kids suffer for this horrendous situation.

If it were me deciding, I'd force the school to provide 30 to 60 million in scholarships to their students, or lose the team entirely. I'd also demand the heads of anyone who might have been involved. The only way to restore trust is to completely clean house.

Maybe I need someone to explain it to me.

I've always thought and believed that the guilty should pay, not the innocent. The criminals, those who did nothing to stop Sandusky, they should receive the death penalty, not the school. Target the criminals, punish them, send them to jail. What good will it do now to impose all these fines and punish the school, which really punishes the innocent kids already enrolled at Penn State. Doesn't make sense to me.

This is a mess of epic proportions. The loss of support for the football program will cripple other programs as wel, due to the loss of incoming funds.

However, The powers that be allowed this situation to exist for way too long. The number of times that this guy got away and kept his job is truely unbelieveable. The various university officials that allowed the cover up should all be terminated, and lose any potential bonuses and benefits packages. Sandusky is getting his punishment, so should those who facilitated his abuse.

This could have been handled so much better. Had they simply quietly let him go and forced him out, then it would have been on the victims to bring him up on charges, and the university would not have been culpable in his actions.

I am no fan of college sports, and the structure that is the NCAA, but frankly after what they have done, Penn State needs to be punished , and severely.

Agree, the guilty need to be punished, not the kid that is going to go to college, this punishes everybody, mostly the innocent. If I were in charge of Penn State I would be calling other schools and starting my own league, it would only take about 8 schools to drop out of the NCAA to make a lasting point. I have never been a fan of college sport, and the NCAA has proved over the years to be vindictive this is a case in point.

Punish the school, but do so without hurting more people then deserve it. This steps over the lines of punishment, its vindictive but its also what this country has become and is part of a larger problem, we as a country don't want to punish the wrong, we want blood. More people are in prison in this country then any other country on the face of the earth, more then Russia, more then China.

So I ask the question Penn State should be punished no question on that, now the hard part, what would be fair?

River

>>This is what the NCAA imposed.

>>I think that it is fairer to players than what cold have been.

>>The problem was not with players but with a coach that nearly took over the university and fought giving up power for years beyond when he should have done that.

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NCAA hits Penn State football with $60 million fine, vacates Paterno's wins from 1998-2011.

Click here to access our live wire to follow the news conference online.

NCAA President President Mark Emmert released the following sanctions on the program.

- $65 million dollar fine

- 4 year bowl and post-season ban

- Scholarships reduced from 25 to 15 for 4 years

- Players will be permitted to transfer

- Current players can keep scholarships without playing

- 5 year probation

- NCAA formal investigation and disciplinary action for individuals after criminal process

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/48284604/ns/l ... A1egERgDfY

Dave (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:26 am >>This is what the NCAA imposed.

>>I think that it is fairer to players than what cold have been.

>>The problem was not with players but with a coach that nearly took over the university and fought giving up power for years beyond when he should have done that.

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NCAA hits Penn State football with $60 million fine, vacates Paterno's wins from 1998-2011.

Click here to access our live wire to follow the news conference online.

NCAA President President Mark Emmert released the following sanctions on the program.

- $65 million dollar fine

I think the fine is a bit excessive but OK.

- 4 year bowl and post-season ban

2 years would have been better, 4 years only punishes the students who did nothing wrong.

Dave (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:26 am - Scholarships reduced from 25 to 15 for 4 years

No problem with this

Dave (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:26 am - Players will be permitted to transfer

No problem with this

Dave (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:26 am - Current players can keep scholarships without playing

Why would a player not want to play? this is OK I guess

- 5 year probation

NO Problem with this.

Dave (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:26 am - NCAA formal investigation and disciplinary action for individuals after criminal process

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/48284604/ns/l ... A1egERgDfY

Dave, I know you live in that part of the country so you know the players better then the rest of us, but where does punishment end and "I will get even with you begin?"

Ultimately, this punishment effects students who did nothing wrong. Ban the guys involved from ever working in college sport again or for a college. Fine the school, but part of the NCAA has always been to punish the kids that follow those who broke the rules, this has always been one of my bitches about the NCAA.

So now this kid graduating from high school who planed to go to Penn State his whole life, Dad went there, Mom went there, two older brothers went there, all except MOM played football which is what he wanted to do, his scholarship is in doubt so now what does he do? If he goes to Penn State, he will never see a playoff game no matter what, or should he just screw it and go to Syracuse?

As I said, this punishment punishes the kids not those who did wrong.

River

I'm back because the reporting on this press conference is particularly shoddy. It's pissing me off to read the stories after having listened to the conference live on TV. Here's what I heard and know to be the conditions:

1) The NCAA vacates Paterno's wins from 1998-2011 (which removes his distinction of being the most winning coach in history by removing all wins after the first documented molestation)

2) 60 million dollar fine (not 65 million)

3) a four year bowl and post season ban

4) Loss of 10 scholarships each year for four years

5) release of current football players so they can transfer to other universities

6) retention of current scholarships for football players if they maintain academic standards

7) several other technical things that are part and parcel of changing the management culture of the Penn State program

As far as I can tell, Penn State has already agreed to these conditions. I suspect that is why the statue of Paterno came down yesterday.

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Riverwind (imported) wrote: Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:09 am Dave, I know you live in that part of the country so you know the players better then the rest of us, but where does punishment end and "I will get even with you begin?"

Ultimately, this punishment effects students who did nothing wrong. Ban the guys involved from ever working in college sport again or for a college. Fine the school, but part of the NCAA has always been to punish the kids that follow those who broke the rules, this has always been one of my bitches about the NCAA.

So now this kid graduating from high school who planed to go to Penn State his whole life, Dad went there, Mom went there, two older brothers went there, all except MOM played football which is what he wanted to do, his scholarship is in doubt so now what does he do? If he goes to Penn State, he will never see a playoff game no matter what, or should he just screw it and go to Syracuse?

As I said, this punishment punishes the kids not those who did wrong.

River

Part of the problem here is that the University was trying to get control over the Athletic Program. Paterno controlled all of it, not just football but every part of Athletics. Paterno was forced off the daily football coaching jobs when it was becoming apparent he was too old. The university wanted to have the football program separate from the Athletics but Paterno would not let go. There was no control over Paterno until recently and that caused bad feelings on both sides. I required an extra year and a half to get my degree adn I quickly learned that dealing with freshmen (who were more like high school fools than college seniors searching for jobs) was not fun. THere is a benefit to stepping back from college organizations and let the younger members make all those mistakes. It's called education. That's not true in business or real life or other organizations but it is true in colleges. .

The four top officials involved in covering up the affair are gone. They went right away. They are the four named in the FREEH report who knew what happened with Sandusky and decided to hide it.

We've seen the current Penn State administration has already pushed out Board members and coaching staff. The new coach has a five year contract and regardless of what the NCAA did today, he had to rebuild not only the football program but he gave up the rest of the Athletic program. They already knew they needed a restructuring and they were doing it. Had Paterno retired two, four, five years ago, all this might not have surfaced but the man was belligerent and greedy and stayed on in a position when he should have ridden off in glory.

There are football players who are not good enough for national teams who will play and win at Penn State. Not every player at Penn State went onto national teams.

As for legacy players and attendees, too bad. It's not their fault but life is unfair. It wasn't that they besmirched a good school's reputation, Sandusky and Paterno and the other university officials who didn't act did that.