Hi y'all,

So I've been off the T close to a year (OK, 8 months). I never want to go back. When I told my GP about that, his eyes bugged out and he ordered a bunch of blood tests to check to see to what degree it appears that my body is trying to metabolize my bones. I'm at the edge of the reference range on things like calcium levels. I'll ask for a bone scan, and I got him to refer me to an endocrinologist.

I'm extremely happy without testosterone; everyone tells me that my personality seems better and that I seem more comfortable in my skin. The thing is, I think that I might want to take something in order to stave off some of the less pleasant health effects. I think that a little bit of HRT would be better for my mental function as well as for things like bone health.

The thing is, nothing appeals to me. I don't want to feminize. I've had no feminization since stopping T, and I know that with enough E, I'll look like my mother or sister. That is, very busty. I like the idea of de-masculinizing some more but not outright feminizing.

T makes me crazy and aggressive, and I just don't feel 'right' on it. I do like the energy it gives me though I have trouble focusing all that much energy.

No T makes me calm and happy, and I feel right. But I don't have as much energy as before; it's like my brain has slowed down to normal human speeds.

I've gotten lots of conflicting advice. Some people suggest to use lots of E. My GP suggested T. Others suggest progesterone or mixes of E and progesterone. I'd like to de-masculinize some more (maybe getting laser beard removal) but not actually feminize. I want slightly sharper mental functioning and better bone health.

Proper endocrinological advice is hard to find since it gets mixed in with everyone's prejudices about what it means to be male or female, and the Germans are much more 'traditional' than the Anglo-Saxons in this regard. I need to be able to go to an endocrinologist and make my case for what I want.

Questions that I would like to know the answers to:

1. What are the effects of using low-dose estrogen and/or progesterone for people such as prostate cancer eunuchs or non-binary trans people?

I'm one of the latter, but in Germany, the gender binary is enforced by law. One can go from being a man to a woman or vice versa, but no provision is made for those who do not fit into that binary. Believe it or not, the US is much more liberal on gender matters. That's why I am fortunate to have had my, um, injury a few years back. It gives me a lot more freedom. My luck would be best if I could argue from the experiences of prostate cancer patients since I'm not so sure that my endocrinologist would understand the idea that I'm sort of trans but not really MtF.

2. In particular, can I get some of the good benefits of these things without growing big bazoombas?

I've had no real feminization since my surgeries and I'd like to keep it that way. Interestingly, every time I talk with Germans about the concept of non-binary genders and/or hormones, the subject of breasts comes up. WTF?!

3. If I stick with no T or no E, is there a 'third way' which reduces the risks to my health that I currently face?

I'd like to keep my perfect record of no broken bones, thank you.

4. The Holy Roman Empire, neither holy nor....

Thoughts, comments, advice?

Estrogen and Progesterone will feminize. Even in low dose will grow Breasts. Have you thought about a very low dose of T?

I had researched this at one time. "Androstenedione" is another hormone which is beneficial for your bones. It is produced by the body and then quickly converted to either testosterone or to a feminine hormone. Somewhere I had read that natural born eunuchs (as myself when I was younger) produce androstenedione without it becoming converted to testosterone and that this also seems to be beneficial for bones also. However as for getting that ,in most places all hormones need a prescription. And since conjugated estrogens are so widely available you can easily get the pill without the necessary prescription and it is a whole lot cheaper too. If you take a minimal amount, the body will take all it needs for bones, heart tissue, the brain, etc. which are the essentials before utilizing the estrogens toward bodily feminization (i.e. growing boobs).

I am also a no T eunuch. I tried it and it could not raise the dead but gave me uges I could not respond to. Getting breasts takes a little getting used to. Without support they will jiggle and running braless with anything more than a B cup is difficult to say the least. With good support breasts are enjoyable. They are also sensitive and pleasureable. I enjoy and celebrate my full breasts. I am a feminised Eunuch with beard and body hair gone. Have no fear of feminising your body with low dose hormones. You may find you like how it feels and the affect it will have on you mentally and after all you can stop whenever you want. I started for my bone health and discovered that I love all the changes that have occured and are still happening in my Eunuch body and mind. I am at a stage that I can no longer hide my light under a bushel and present as a woman for convience. The down side for me is high heels.They are torture devices.

Hi littletits...graylayer.. I started a hormone and anti-androgen regimen about a month ago..I've been taking 100 mgs daily of Spiro and 3 mgs of Estrofem...soon to be increased to 4 mgs daily.. The much anticipated breast development has started...not really development yet, but a tenderness...Quite nice...I have quite a bit of breast tissue already, so enhancement may be noticeable ( I hope)..When I visit my urologist next week, I'll tell him...(he'll probably yell at me)..Meanwhile, I'll continue on this track. I love it..

My guess is that 2 mgs daily of estradiol might just prevent the bone problems and not pose too great a threat of over-feminization..Hey...If you don't like it, just stop..

smooches Jackie

Butterflyjack that is where I started. My last bone scan showed that my bone density was perfect. You will get fair breast developement but if you want full B or C cups You will need to up the dose. Do SO ONLY UNDER MEDICAL SUPERVISION. You do not want blood clots,stroke,or in worst case death. Hormones are powerful substances and great care is needed injesting them. I am on full male to female dose under medical care and now find that my B cup bras are a little on the small side with my breasts spilling over the top. I can not quite yet fully fill a C cup but it wont be long. That is big enough but as mother and sister are D cups one never knows. My butt and hips are a rounded female shape and panties fit perfectly. I now have no male clothing in my wardrobe. Once I stop feminising I plan to cut back to a maintance regime and further down the line have labiaplasty or full SRS. As I am strictly hetrosexual I never want to have sex with a man but want to bring my body below the waist to correspond with my new bust. Life will be simpler that way. I think even after this surgery i will still identify as a eunuch. As I am a eunuch with the T level of a teenage girl I can not say if still having testicles alters the situation even if they are more or less non functional.

littletits (imported) wrote: Thu May 03, 2012 5:55 am As I am strictly hetrosexual I never want to have sex with a man but want to bring my body below the waist to correspond with my new bust. Life will be simpler that way. I think even after this surgery i will still identify as a eunuch. As I am a eunuch with the T level of a teenage girl I can not say if still having testicles alters the situation even if they are more or less non functional.

If you are transitioning you are mentally female. If you want sex with women then you are not heterosexual, you are lesbian.

Transward

Now, now. Those are just labels. Oddly, I find my lesbian side getting turned on a lot these days by genderqueer folk. I don't know what the hell that makes me.

Thanks, devi, that's something I'll check out. I'm 'in the system' as hypogonadal and everything here needs a prescription anyway, so it's worth looking into.

graylayer02 (imported) wrote: Wed May 02, 2012 9:59 am Hi y'all,

So I've been off the T close to a year (OK, 8 months). I never want to go back. When I told my GP about that, his eyes bugged out and he ordered a bunch of blood tests to check to see to what degree it appears that my body is trying to metabolize my bones. I'm at the edge of the reference range on things like calcium levels. I'll ask for a bone scan, and I got him to refer me to an endocrinologist.

I'm extremely happy without testosterone; everyone tells me that my personality seems better and that I seem more comfortable in my skin. The thing is, I think that I might want to take something in order to stave off some of the less pleasant health effects. I think that a little bit of HRT would be better for my mental function as well as for things like bone health.

The thing is, nothing appeals to me. I don't want to feminize. I've had no feminization since stopping T, and I know that with enough E, I'll look like my mother or sister. That is, very busty. I like the idea of de-masculinizing some more but not outright feminizing.

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The problem is if you don't want any feminization, you will have to take an estrogen blocker with the low level Testosterone. If you take any estrogen you will have feminazition regardless. Note I read someplace that various androgen and estrogen blockers do have some effect for bone health.

The solution is simple. Take a SERM type anti-estrogen. Those actually act as estrogen for things like bone density, but don't feminize. Take either tamoxifen or raloxifene (I prefer the latter, but both work). Male body builders take them to block feminizing side effects of steroid abuse. They preserve the bone density.