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River Three Days Off

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:24 am
by moi621 (imported)
Our bielemental moderator Riverwind Water Air just may be seeking balance as he placed himself on three day hiatus after allowing a button pusher to push buttons. ( Who could that be? Oh I don't know. Maybe ;) Yup!

In the spirit of the 21st Century I PM'ed River that he should just forgive himself. I mean if you forgive yourself what business is it of anyone else? It is the 21st Century. All about the first person singular.

This is Day 1 of waterless River, no Wind.

Maybe, if we applaud Riverwind on this thread, we can bring him around to forgive himself in less then another two days.

River 🤗 - Forgive yourself. Justifiable response to provocation, + you are a moderator immune to peasant constraints. Like Jehovah's immune from the constraints on men. Just don't sacrifice pig.

Moi

River

Remember the mirror exercise, look at yourself and say the affirmation

"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough and gosh, people like me."

Forgive yourself !

Re: River Three Days Off

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:22 pm
by Cainanite (imported)
I think the three days off is so River can get his sanity back.

I've been poking around in the political threads against my better nature for a few weeks now, I can see how one might need some time away to restore, and rejuvenate. I don't think River is going away out of shame, or to punish himself, but to come back stronger and more dangerous than ever.

My advice is to be very cautious of River's return. Be nice to each other in his absence. Heads may roll upon his re-arrival.

Come to think of it... Why do I hear the montage training music from Rocky playing in the background?

Rabble-rousers beware!

In two days time, the Sherrif will be back in town, reloaded and ready for anything.

Find good hiding spots, and don't give him an excuse.

This could be VERY interesting. 😄

Re: River Three Days Off

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:26 pm
by moi621 (imported)
BUT What if River finds he likes a less EA involved life? :(

Draft River!

Someone nearby please bring your mobile internet to his house and comment as your scan the EA Board. Like, "Wow! You should see what Bob3 just uploaded". 😄

Re: River Three Days Off

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:45 pm
by transward (imported)
Cainanite (imported) wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:22 pm I think the three days off is so River can get his sanity back.

Be careful. To be sane in an insane world would be insanity itself.

Transward

Re: River Three Days Off

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:14 pm
by Slammr (imported)
moi621 (imported) wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:26 pm BUT What if River finds he likes a less EA involved life? :(

Draft River!

Someone nearby please bring your mobile internet to his house and comment as your scan the EA Board. Like, "Wow! You should see what Bob3 just uploaded". 😄

I have a solution for him, one I use: never read anything bob3 posts.

Re: River Three Days Off

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:27 pm
by talula
Does this mean I shouldn't throw rocks at his house, or I should?

tal

Re: River Three Days Off

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:41 pm
by janekane (imported)
transward (imported) wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:45 pm Be careful. To be sane in an insane world would be insanity itself.

Transward

On the other hand, David Rosenhan did a form of psychology experiment, which was reported in the January 19, 1973 issue of Science:

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/179/4070/250

I here offer a counter-proposal, "To be sane in an insane world is the essence of sanity itself."

Re: River Three Days Off

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:24 pm
by punkypink (imported)
moi621 (imported) wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:26 pm Someone nearby please bring your mobile internet to his house and comment as your scan the EA Board. Like, "Wow! You should see what Bob3 just uploaded". 😄

we want to bring river back not permanently drive him away

Re: River Three Days Off

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:09 pm
by Losethem (imported)
moi621 (imported) wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:24 am Maybe, if we applaud Riverwind on this thread, we can bring him around to forgive himself in less then another two days.

Gosh Moi, are you deliberately trying to poke the bear? 👉

Re: River Three Days Off

Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:10 pm
by transward (imported)
janekane (imported) wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:41 pm On the other hand, David Rosenhan did a form of psychology experiment, which was reported in the January 19, 1973 issue of Science:

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/179/4070/250

I here offer a counter-proposal, "To be sane in an insane world is the essence of sanity itself."

Another explanation of Rosenhan's work: http://www.everythingispointless.com/20 ... world.html

Another classic psychology study. David Rosehan published his famous 'On being sane in insane places' in Science, in 1972. Rosehan was interested in the ability of psychiatrists to make a distinction between those with a mental illness and those who are 'normal'. Since it is a basic requirement that psychiatrists get this particular distinction correct, Rosenhan's work was very important.

He sent 8 normal people to 12 different hospitals, in 5 different states in the US. Each presented with the complaint of hearing voices and all eight were admitted to the hospitals as psychiatric patients. After admission, these pseudopatients acted as normally as possible and no longer reported the voices. From Rosenhan:

Despite their public “show” of sanity, the pseudopatients were never detected. Admitted, except in one case, with a diagnosis of schizophrenia, each was discharged with a diagnosis of schizophrenia “in remission.” The label “in remission” should in no way be dismissed as a formality, for at no time during any hospitalization had any question been raised about any pseudopatient’s simulation. Nor are there any indications in the hospital records that the pseudopatient’s status was suspect.

Rather, the evidence is strong that, once labeled schizophrenic, the pseudopatient was stuck with that label. If the pseudopatient was to be discharged, he must naturally be “in remission”; but he was not sane, nor, in the institution’s view, had he ever been sane. The uniform failure to recognize sanity cannot be attributed to the quality of the hospitals, for, although there were considerable variations among them, several are considered excellent. Nor can it be alleged that there was simply not enough time to observe the pseudopatients. Length of hospitalization ranged from 7 to 52 days, with an average of 19 days.

So, Rosenhan found that when a normal person walked into a mental hospital claiming to hear voices, that they could spend up to 52 days being observed, despite exhibiting no further unusual behaviour. One of the strange findings of Rosehan's work is that despite the psychiatrists inability to discover the pseudopatients, the other patients were often quite good at realising that something was different about them:

It was quite common for the patients to “detect” the pseudopatient’s sanity. During the first three hospitalizations, when accurate counts were kept, 35 of a total of 118 patients on the admissions ward voiced their suspicions, some vigorously. “You’re not crazy. You’re a journalist, or a professor (referring to the continual note-taking).

Finally, after the experiment had finished, a number of hospitals declared that such mistakes could not occur at their institutions. Rosehan set up a test with one hospital, whereby he would send further pseudopatients along and try and fool their psychiatrists into admitting more normal people. During that period, 193 patients were admitted, with 41 identified as pseudopatients with a high degree of confidence by at least one member of staff, 23 were suspected by at least one psychiatrist and 19 were considered possibly sane by one member of staff and one psychiatrist. Importantly Rosenhan had not sent a single pseudopatient to the hospital, during the three-months! Rosenhan concluded:[

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Someday maybe I'll tell you the real story of the one eyed man in the land of the blind.

Transward