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SURGICALLY, is it possible to keep the penis and create a vaginal opening?
Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:24 pm
by mynhii85 (imported)
I know this is a strange question. I remember asking this question somewhere, but I don't remember which forum I posted.
With all the knowledge you guys have about human anatomy, I hope I can receive a good answer.
So let's say that I want to have orchiectomy, I'm willing to give up my penis erection for the rest of my life, and vagina depth is unimportant, is it possible to keep the penis and still have a vagina orifice?
Thank you.
Re: SURGICALLY, is it possible to keep the penis and create a vaginal opening?
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:34 am
by Caith721 (imported)
While it's certainly possible, no good surgeon will perform this surgery, because it doesn't conform to their ethical concepts of the male/female dichotomy. You'd have to do some unwise things to achieve this: (a) use skin grafts to form even a shallow depth of the vagina, and (b) find a shady back-alley surgeon to perform the surgery, one who doesn't care about ethics and only wants to take your money.
It stinks, in my personal opinion. My testicles are gone, why can't I have labia formed from my scrotum, while leaving the penis intact?
Re: SURGICALLY, is it possible to keep the penis and create a vaginal opening?
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:51 am
by janekane (imported)
As I read the WPATH Standards of Care, the male versus female dichotomy is no longer inherent and intrinsic to the SoC.
The doctor (a urologist) whose medical advice led to my being able to get a doctor to do my orchiectomy in 1986 died a while ago; it is no longer possible for an adversarial process to extract from that urologist what he said, nor can he be faulted in a court of law for his medical advice. He informed me that there would be not a hint of a trace of what he said, or even of my asking him, in my medical records.
What was his advice? While he would not do anything surgical to help me, "some doctor in a third rate hospital might." Based on the medical advice I was given, I set out to find such a doctor, and did.
While I am not exactly sure that a vasectomy clinic after regular hours is necessarily "a third rate hospital," I seem to have been given first rate care, though I have a hunch that my having, by then a B.S. in bioengineering and having taken classes in a medical school as part of my graduate bioengineering coursework, may have given me persuasive resources people less formally educated in the ways of medical practice would likely have found unattainable.
Therefore, I do not deem my experience to be a valid model for others to put to use except in one particular aspect. I did not capitulate to "most people" thinking patterns when my sense of mind-body integrity (transgendered integrity but not transgendered in the "most people" dichotomous gender sense) informed me that I needed to reject "most people" thinking in order to have a decent likelihood of living a decently long (to me, anyway) life.
Living, even for 200 years, with the sort of gender disparity that formed my life after puberty and before the orchiectomy, is something I never quite found to be decent, though I kept with it long enough to survive until I was able to get my sense of gender disparity effectively, efficiently, and economically surgically resolved.
Being trapped in a life of inner and outer distress because of disparity of self with societal expectations was, for me, a form of torture.
I lived with that form of torture long enough that I was able, finally, to persuade a doctor to help me put that torture totally into my previous way of life.
The unit of action, in humanity, is the individual person. When a group of people do something, the something done is merely the superposition of the actions of the individuals; individual action is all that actually exists for humans to achieve.
I protest, without retaliation, the abuses of "most people" thinking.
Most people, as best I can yet surmise, are willing to fight in wars of reciprocal retaliation.
Not me.
Re: SURGICALLY, is it possible to keep the penis and create a vaginal opening?
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:16 pm
by mynhii85 (imported)
Caith721 (imported) wrote: Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:34 am
While it's certainly possible, no good surgeon will perform this surgery, because it doesn't conform to their ethical concepts of the male/female dichotomy. You'd have to do some unwise things to achieve this: (a) use skin grafts to form even a shallow depth of the vagina, and (b) find a shady back-alley surgeon to perform the surgery, one who doesn't care about ethics and only wants to take your money.
It stinks, in my personal opinion. My testicles are gone, why can't I have labia formed from my scrotum, while leaving the penis intact?
Thank you very much. So technically, it is possible to have that happen, isn't it?
I heard from other sites that anatomically what I want is impossible because the erectile tissue will block the vaginal canal.
When I make this decision, I no longer care about my penis able to erect again.
From your profile, you are a transsexual, aren't you? Can you please explain how you got your surgery done? Thank you
Re: SURGICALLY, is it possible to keep the penis and create a vaginal opening?
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:50 am
by Caith721 (imported)
I spent months engaged in counseling with my gender therapist to obtain a surgery referral letter, according to the WPATH Standards of Care in effect at that time. I obtained a second referral letter from my psychiatrist, who has helped manage my clinical depression and knows of my transgender personality.
Good luck in your search.
Re: SURGICALLY, is it possible to keep the penis and create a vaginal opening?
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:18 am
by Hash (imported)
Try another country. Pay the money and you can find a surgeon in Malaysia, Thailand, India, to at least consider it. It is possible, though the penis would have to be split in half if you want penetration. If you want a faux vagina, they could remove your testicles and form the scrotal skin into labia. In fact, years before I was castrated I had split my scrotum in half, then after my testicles were removed, my empty scrotum often looked like labia. I mean, if you've looked at enough vagina's/labia's, some of these women have long droopy labia's and my empty scrotum resembled many of them. Maybe you should seek castration first and then talk about a faux vagina. Dr. Suporn from Thailand is supposed to be pretty willing to try different things from what I've read.
Re: SURGICALLY, is it possible to keep the penis and create a vaginal opening?
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:29 am
by Mac (imported)
mynhii85 (imported) wrote: Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:24 pm
I know this is a strange question. I remember asking this question somewhere, but I don't remember which forum I posted.
With all the knowledge you guys have about human anatomy, I hope I can receive a good answer.
So let's say that I want to have orchiectomy, I'm willing to give up my penis erection for the rest of my life, and vagina depth is unimportant, is it possible to keep the penis and still have a vagina orifice?
Thank you.
What is your reason for wanting to keep your penis?
Re: SURGICALLY, is it possible to keep the penis and create a vaginal opening?
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:46 pm
by mynhii85 (imported)
Mac (imported) wrote: Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:29 am
What is your reason for wanting to keep your penis?
Please don't laugh if my answers sounds ridiculous.
I am actually willing to lose my penis to have a vagina. The feminine part in me drives me with that desire.
I don't want to become a female, at least not significantly. I only feel like a female in certain aspects of my feelings. Mostly I still feel like a male.
Having a vagina-like organ down there is what I really want. To be honest, I want to keep my penis for the sake of urinating. Besides, I don't think about becoming a woman, so there is no need to cut it off. However, if it has to be all or nothing, I will say goodbye to my penis.
Re: SURGICALLY, is it possible to keep the penis and create a vaginal opening?
Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 2:32 am
by Macumbakaloo (imported)
Re: SURGICALLY, is it possible to keep the penis and create a vaginal opening?
Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:57 am
by svg19888 (imported)
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