does anyone out there think that dr conrad murray has been hung out to dry? surely if michael jackson was a painkiller addict it would be impossible to know exactly what was going into his body? i think this is a another example of the american penal system's corruption. if mj had been a regular guy no one would have gave a shit but the prosecution needed a fall guy so they could milk a few bucks from a trial. if only they had been as eager when jackson's child abuse charges came to light but the system seemed happy enough to stand by and watch him pay the real victims off.

I agree, the Doctor is a scape goat, he was set up, set up by MJ, his family and everybody that took care of MJ. This doctor is loosing his carrier because he got greedy, MJ was an overdose waiting for a happening. I remember at the time his mother screaming that somebody needed to pay, (because her gravy train just died), and she wanted somebody in Jail. This is the same parent that abused him his entire life, the whole family was guilt if for no other reason for turning the other way. Look at pictures of MJ when he was 13 and again before he died, this guy was out of control his entire life.

And because of his self abuse, and the abuse of his family for over 40 years, this doctor will pay the price.

River

Not a scapegoat.

Money! Money! Money, money, money often baits physicians and surgeons to behave less then ethically. Money is the narcotic of too many physicians.

Drug study docs. Kaiser docs. VA docs in the '70's. Drug Rx'ing docs are successfully lured & hooked by self interest.

Yes of course there are good physicians, even at Kaiser or the VA in the '70's. The problem is they must work with the system and keep quiet about a specialist they would not use on their own body. Institutionalized mediocrity is now health care leadership.

While we are here, would someone please order the crimes of killing a person.

First degree murder, second, voluntary and involuntary manslaughter, negligent homicide. and the definitions.

Moi

Rx general anesthesia in the home setting is plainly "criminal" not merely malpractice.

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:41 pm I agree, the Doctor is a scape goat, he was set up, set up by MJ, his family and everybody that took care of MJ.

No, he was not set up. He had a self-indulgent fool for a patient. He didn't have to try and placate him. He could have walked away. He chose to provide inadequate, dangerous medical care to a sick, sick man, who died as a result of medications he prescribed and did not adequately supervise. If your doctor treated you with the same dangerous drugs and lack of supervision, it wouldn't be a set up, it would be malpractice.

This doctor is l

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:41 pm osing his carrier because he got greedy, MJ was an overdose waiting for a happening.

But boo hoo, Dr. Murray didn't have to be the overdose. He could have walked away. He could have declined to provide excessive, dangerous medication to an unstable fool. What kind of doctor prescribes addictive medications to an addict? The correct answer is an unscrupulous one. Murray got what he deserved. He shouldn't be allowed to treat anyone as shoddily as he treated Michael Jackson. He should not be permitted to continue as an enabler of addicts. Michael Jackson can be excused. He was a junky, dependent on drugs to maintain him in a semblance of normality. Murray cannot be excused. He was a trained physician. He knew what those drugs were supposed to do; he knew what an addict was and how dangerous it was to permit that kind of life style to continue, and he allowed it to continue to the inevitable catastrophe. Shame on him.

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:41 pm I remember at the time his mother screaming that somebody needed to pay, (because her gravy train just died), and she wanted somebody in Jail. This is the same parent that abused him his entire life, the whole family was guilt if for no other reason for turning the other way. Look at pictures of MJ when he was 13 and again before he died, this guy was out of control his entire life.

Yes, he was exploited by his parents as a child, by his advisors as an adult, but that doesn't make it all right for Dr. Murray to exploit his medical vulnerability as well. It is unfortunate that his awful parents cannot be legally accountable for their horrendously bad job of parenting, but that does not mean that the legal system should turn a blind eye to Dr. Murray's horrendously bad job of providing health care to his patient. Guilty as charged.

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:41 pm And because of his self abuse, and the abuse of his family for over 40 years, this doctor will pay the price.

River

No, not because of Michael Jackson's self-abuse, but because of Dr. Murray's greed and incompetent medical care.

He brought drugs normally used for putting people under for surgery, to help MJ sleep. That alone should lose him his licence. On top of that (if you believe his testimony), he left a known drug abuser alone with the controls of the IV for the administering of said drug.

What did he think would happen?

It was a combination of greed, and incompetence that led to MJ's death. Do I think MJ would have offed himself some other way, or found the drugs illegally if Conrad Murray hadn't administered it? Oh, hell yes. MJ was on a non-stop train of self destruction. That said, a doctor should know better.

Wow I agree with Moi and Gareth in the same thread. Anesthesia should not have been administered in a home setting. Michael could not have had it without a doctor supplying it. If I am put under a general I would like the team available to monitor my vital signs and keep me oxygenated. I am afraid the good doctor became greedy.

A cardiologist supplying an anesthetic drug that is used for surgery in hospital setting only...GUILTY of malpractice at least. Manslaughter was a reasonable guilty verdict from what I know of the case. He also tried to perform CPR on the bed and not the floor or other hard surface...

Scapegoat, no. Are others responsible? Probably YES.

Don't misunderstand me in what I said, the doctor was wrong, I believe I said that, but he was not the only one but the only one who will do time for it. In that respect he is the scapegoat.

River

Riverwind (imported) wrote: Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:17 pm Don't misunderstand me in what I said, the doctor was wrong, I believe I said that, but he was not the only one but the only one who will do time for it. In that respect he is the scapegoat.

River

I don't think that means what you think it means ..Scapegoats are people blamed for something to distract from real culprits. Hitler scapegoated the Jews and "mongrel races" for Germany's ills in the 1920s and 1930s/

The Doctor IS guilty and deserves what he gets...there are others who aren't being punished. I think the correct term is he's the fall-guy, not scapegoat.

The Doctor was wrong, but MJ would have gotten the drugs from somebody elses no matter what. I am just surpirssed how the public has idolized him even more since his death and has forgotten that he was a child molester. What short memories we have.