Hey,

I've been lurking here for some time and ready to start taking some action and I'd like to ask a few questions. And perhaps also see what you think of my situation. So let me introduce what that is.

I am a little over 18. I'm a fairly standard case of an asexual person. Never really displayed much interest in sex, never thought about it too much. Masturbated for a certain period, one day I just stopped and never felt any urge to do that again. A little more than 1 nocturnal emission is how my body handles that. I rarely get erections, sometimes get that 'morning wood' and then perhaps sometime during the day.

So sex is definitely a non-issue for me, it's just not in my life (well lately I've been doing so much reading on all those issues related to sexuality that I guess it is the most 'sexual period in my life haha).

I am also a very very calm person, when I was reading about 'eunuch calm' that some people experience I often thought 'that's just like me!'. I too don't really get excited about anything, not easily irritable and of course being asexual I have all the benefits of not thinking about sex. Sure perhaps I don't have the exact same thing but I wouldn't be surprised if I'm close.

I never knew castration was a possibility, never had that urge. I stumbled upon it when I was researching hair-loss. I have no serious hair-loss yet. Just some maturing that happens to everyone, but looking at my family it's pretty likely to go much beyond that. I've done a lot of research on that problem and that made me find out about castration.

Of course first I just laughed it off as some crazy dangerous thing to do, took it as interesting trivia. But I was doing more research on testosterone and how it and it's lack affect male bodies I got really interested.

No hair loss and perhaps some thickening? Great.

Possibly finer, less and slower growing body hair? Even better.

Softer more female-like skin? Perfect.

Possibly no more erections and nocturnal emissions at all? A nice addition.

No prostate cancer? Super.

Now there are some potential consequences and this is where I would use your help:

First thing is those mental issues - from the reading that I have done it looks like a vast majority of mental effect of castration people get are related directly or indirectly related to sexuality as most eunuchs here used to be sexual to some degree so that was definitely a big change for them.

Now as I'm not likely to experience any of that I'm mostly interested in mental effects that might be independent of sexuality. Brain fog come up a lot, but I have never read a clear description of what that would be. Is it that state of not being able to get excited and very focused about anything?

Breast tissue and fat redistribution is another thing that bothers me. It looks like it varies from no noticeable growth whatsoever to growing A cup breasts. I'm wondering if it's related to one's weight.

If somebody is overweight I guess it takes much much less growth to be A cup. Personally I'm 110, a little underweight for my height and intend to stay that way.

I have the feeling that whatever I develop at this weight won't be noticeable, totally coverable with clothes. I don't mind it too much, but it's nice if people won't be noticing it right away.

As far as far redistribution goes most of you talk about weight gain but I have never read on how it actually works. According to my knowledge the only possibilities here is increased appetite, reduced metabolism or water retention.

I strictly control the amount of calories I eat and weight myself everyday, so I don't see how my weight could get out of control. I guess the main mechanism would be reduced metabolism due to having less muscle. Is that right?

Osteoporosis seems to be a potential issue but it looks like it's totally manageable given right care.

Any other bad side effects I'm missing?

I am very scared about having it cut, not because of it's consequences but the actual process. I never had a surgery done. I'm not sure if I'll ever have courage to do it.

So for now I try to castrate myself chemically. Spironolactone is on it's way. Of course I'll do all the blood tests beforehand so I can monitor what's going on.

I plan on starting on a very low dose, 25mg. Will up that to 50mg and stay that way perhaps till the end of the year. Then I will examine if there's any change in my scalp, body hair or skin and decide on what to do next.

Yes I know 50mg is probably far from an amount that would get me castrated (but perhaps not THAT weak considering I'm 110lbs). But as you can see getting myself castrated is not a goal in itself, it's all the benefits of being castrated. So I think it's a good idea to go very slow. Perhaps I can get what I want without shoving tons of pills down my throat.

If it turns out that my 'optimal' dosage is say 75mg or 100mg do you think it would be OK to make it a long term solution or do you think that getting castrated would be much healthier than taking pills for life?

I definitely missed few points but I asked enough already so let's stop here.

Thanks to everyone in advance. You site is a very nice place, strange at times but very nice.

Looks like nobody is able to answer my questions. Well, I'm not very surprised, I've done a lot of research already so it's very likely the questions I have asked have no definite answers.

My spironolactone is here. Starting it at 25mg.

It will be a very long process for sure, so most likely in next few months nothing is going to happen. I will remember your website, although I'm not much of a guy that participates in on-line communities if something interesting happens I will give you an update. Too many people don't.

If you're taking spiro, the average male dose is about 100 mg/day, but could go as high as 200 mg/day. Don't forget to drink plenty of water to counter the diuretic effect. You'll also be making more frequent trips to urinate as a result.

Sure, I do realize that I just want to go nice and slow. My blood pressure is naturally pretty low and I'm only 110 lbs, don't want to go too crazy on it. No rush over here.

lenaugyy (imported) wrote: Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:51 am do you think it would be OK to make it a long term solution or do you think that getting castrated would be much healthier than taking pills for life?

Just stay away from a potassium-rich diet if you are going on spiro. From my reading liver toxicity isnt a huge problem but you should still get your blood checked every so often.

As far as weight goes I am still 140lbs and no noticeable redistribution or breast growth yet. Estrogen is responsible for the fat redistribution but weight gain has many other factors. The only mental changes I've noticed so far is that I cry easily and often for no reason but not because I am sad--at least most of the time.

If hair loss is the main concern have you checked out finasteride? Good luck on your journey!

Lasander (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:25 am Just stay away from a potassium-rich diet if you are going on spiro. From my reading liver toxicity isnt a huge problem but you should still get your blood checked every so often.

That's the plan.

Yes, liver toxicity is what I was worrying about when thinking if it's a viable long term solution. How long have you been on it already?

Hair loss is the main concern but I also look forward to all the other 'benefits'. As I'm only 18 and still developing facial and body hair I think I have a very good chance of retarding the development of those.

lenaugyy (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:57 am That's the plan.

Yes, liver toxicity is what I was worrying about when thinking if it's a viable long term solution. How long have you been on it already?

Hair loss is the main concern but I also look forward to all the other 'benefits'. As I'm only 18 and still developing facial and body hair I think I have a very good chance of retarding the development of those.

Just so you know, Low testosterone does not automatically mean no hair loss. Hair loss is genetic, not hormonal. It is a myth that low or no testosterone will equal a full head of hair. I am hypogonadal, meaning I have had low testosterone all my life. However, I still have normal male pattern hair loss. Of course I do have "some" testosterone in my system. It is just lower than average.

My low testosterone has given me less body hair than average, a smaller set of equipment, and I collect fat tissue in a more feminine pattern. I can still grow a beard (though slowly), and as long as I wear long sleeves, I can generally pass for what is accepted from the male population.

I was attracted to what you have to say, because I too have led a very asexual life. Sex isn't on my mind much, though romance is... go figure. If I lost both my testicles tomorrow, it would be no big loss for me. I sometimes wonder if I would notice at all. I am still fond of my erections though, so I won't be making the transition until I'm a little more comfortable with the overall idea. That, and my doctor and I are taking things very slowly in how we decide to proceed. (No, I haven't brought up the idea of castration to him, but I have let him know, I'd be fine with losing my minimal-sex drive altogether.)

As to the eunuch calm... don't expect that right away. As your body loses testosterone you can go through withdrawal. Seriously, this is like going off of any powerful narcotic or addictive drug. Expect mood swings. I've had those my entire life, and they are not fun. You can go from weepy and petrified to a raving lunatic with no gear shifts in-between. Be very aware of what is happening with your body. Testosterone for most men is a normalizer. When you suddenly lose that sense of normality, you can be set adrift pretty easily. Now that I know I'm hypogonadal, and I know where the mood swings are coming from, it has been better, but I'm still susceptible. I'm on the edge of a decision. Stop my testosterone all-together, and stop the mood swings, or go on a maintenance dose of testosterone, and stop the mood swings. Either way, this is a subject I know a bit about now. If you end your testosterone, expect a transition period, until your body finds a new equilibrium.

Also, you'll need to get on, and stay on an exercise regimen. Loss of testosterone can mean a loss of physical stamina. You'll wear out faster, and take longer to recover from exertion. I think loss of stamina, is the biggest reason for gaining weight as a eunuch. However, if you know what you are susceptible to, you can guard against it.

I wish I had known what the hell was wrong with me, when I was your age. It would have allowed me to make some changes a lot earlier, and not be in the situation I'm in now.

All I'm saying is be aware of the pitfalls going in. You'll be a lot better off for it.

Good luck!

Thanks for your post.

It's genetic, but genetic does not translate into "it just happens". What most people believe is that genes determine how sensitive our hair follicles are to DHT. Obviously no T = no DHT. So no matter what are genes are greatly reducing T should almost always have a positive effect on our MPB. Most eunuchs also seem to confirm that their hairloss has stopped after castration.

So if your still seeing MPB having very low T I'd venture to guess that your hair is either super sensitive to DHT or you have a very high conversion rate of T to DHT.

I'm too wondering if I'll notice loosing any sexual ability either. I already get nocturnal emissions and erections so rarely and even some eunuchs say they might still get those once in a while.

I guess the only way would be to start masturbating and see when I no longer can, but obviously I don't want to do that.

And once again reading you write about eunuch calm I get the feeling that it's something I already have. Seriously, whenever I read about it virtually all the symptoms overlap with what I have.

Stamina - again my is already at a very eunuchy level.

You said "

Cainanite (imported) wrote: Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:46 pm this is like going off of any powerful narcotic or addictive drug

". I am wondering if that addictive drug might simply be masturbation or sex drive.

Well, it will be an interesting journey. We'll see what happens, hard to predict anything.

My personal guess is not that much is going to happen at all.

About stamina and strength - be ready to lose alot of upper body strength. I was on cyproterone acetate for few months. And I got it really bad once - I had not expected to lose that much strength and stamina. I haven't written about that before in the respective thread, so here it goes.

A friend bought herself new computer and asked for help with carrying the box from the shop to the car.

All - no heavier than 10kg and to carry no more than 500 meters. Or so I thought. All started with me being unable to hold the box comfortably - too big, and in only convenient position it pressed too much on my nipples (by that time a major ouch). One more thing - it was not 500 meters, much longer. By the time we carried it to the car (I gave up at about 1/3 distance, and we took the box by two sides), I had trembling hands and felt that 50 meters more and I will not be able to hold it anymore.

So it's been over a month now. Have been taking 200mg for around 3 weeks I think.

So far T has went down from the baseline (1 week in) level of 500 down to 450. Disappointing.

I will definitely keep taking it for a while but I guess I shouldn't have my hopes up too high.

Just thinking what should I do if it turns out to not have much more.

Up the dose to something really high like 400mg or just forget it and do Androcur.

Interestingly the Potassium sparing effect is not too strong either. My K levels somehow slightly went down.