Twice in my life I have taken a glandular/mineral therapy that, believe it or not, has somewhat diminished my sex drive and greatly diminished the sizes of my genitals. The effects are not permanent. I started this beginning in 1990, I believe, and got married so my performance and body were not affected long-term. The marriage was short-term.

I became interested in Boron when I learned that California NOW (National Organization for Women) wanted the state to add it to the drinking water to reduce the testosterone levels in men. The research that California NOW had done suggested that this would work. Lately, on the Internet, I have found testimony that Boron does reduces testosterone, actually increases testosterone, and has no effect on testosterone levels in a man. So, the jury is still out on that one.

Also, I discovered that I could purchase Ovary glandulars through any vitamin company. With the combination of taking several of these pills per day, I could see a change to my penis, testicles, and in my ejaculation. There was a company in Scottsdale, Arizona that offered Boron and raw Ovary in the same vitamin pill (for Women) but I have not been able to locate them in this decade. Their Women’s vitamin pills were wonderful (for me), smooth, easy to swallow, and I used them as supplements to straight Ovary glandulars.

Anyway, I have started this self-treatment again and marvel at the results. My penis shrinks up to tiny size and my testicles usually ascend up into my body and are tight. This makes for a very nice, taut, little package up front with some spare room in my briefs. I like the feeling of being “flat” up front. It is not easy to fish my penis out to urinate; that is a bit of a problem. Usually there is not much to hang onto.

Because of the high temperatures this time of year (Arizona heat) sometimes my balls will hang lower.

Erections are harder to achieve. I no longer get turned on at all by pictures of Women or thoughts of vanilla sex. Being dominated and bossed around by my Goddess, however, is thrilling for me and that stimulates me. Also, pictures of men’s cocks give me an instant hard-on if I fantasizing about sucking them or touching them. But overall, while taking these pills I cannot achieve a full erection. Also, the ejaculation is not worth the effort most of the time. Whatever (separate) sensations the sperm give during the orgasm are lessened somehow. The volume of ejaculate seems less and also seems more watery. Sometimes there will be a large ejaculation.

Does this really work, or is it all in my mind? Well, I have taken two recent vacations for family holidays and Father’s Day and did not take my pills either time. I also had some blood work done for my physician to analyze so I laid off the pills then as well. Soon after I stop taking them, my penis will become greater than “head” size only and my balls droop. I find this disgusting and most uncomfortable.

Naturally, I am interested in finding additional, legal substances that I can take to help shrink up my penis. I have no idea how to go about getting estrogen and am aware that castration is a one-way final step. But this therapy works pretty good for me, and it is not expensive.

I am willing to discuss this in more detail and welcome comments from anyone.

- Jim

I've found some other various Women's vitamins and glandular tablets, so the changes are no longer part of my imagination.

For those who are interested: an ejaculation is no longer worth the trouble! I don't really feel any sensation and the volume of ejaculate has declined dramatically since I posted my last message. All I get is a daub of thick paste, it seems. I can feel that I am trying to force this outward, but there is not much to show, and feel, for it. In other words, the pleasure aspect is gone from my climax.

I would think this alone would eventually discourage me from masturbating, but of course it doesn't. Luckily I have found additional resources on the E.A. message board.

The temperatures have been going well over 108° for approx. two weeks now, so I cannot control how low my balls are hanging. They get fairly tight in the house and are hanging real low by the time I return home from work. Although the hot weather is probably also contributing to low sperm volume, I have never in my life had such small ejaculations before.

I like it.

- Jim

Good Morning!

I like to share information about glandulars in case others are interested in using them. Of course, realize you can purchase these gems legally in the U.S. from any online vitamin company. They might be a good start for many men considering low-level feminization.

In the middle of last week, I reached the zenith of glandular/mineral therapy when my ejaculations were next-to-nothing. (I am trying to eliminate the urge to masturbate, something I can't stop and have done daily and more than once per day sometimes). In my last post I spoke of a 'daub' of semen; well, it got less than that last Tue-Wed-Fri. I had no feeling whatsoever from the climax except for being conscious of the sperm traveling -- and it was just a drop that came out at the tip of my penis. Wonderful!

Now, the temperatures have exceeded 110° here so heat must have something to do with this. As mentioned before, these daubs and drops have never occurred before.

Thursday I received my first estrogen pack and started taking them. By Saturday (yesterday) my ejaculations had increased quite a bit with a larger volume of ejaculate. I imagine my body is trying a last-ditch effort to go wild with testosterone.

It is slowly becoming a fight to get aroused which is good. I have looked at previously stimulating photos and text (female and male biased) and have not been excited much. I am also keeping a journal of any changes I notice and will post them or put them on a web page somewhere as I accumulate more entries.

- Jim

I've been on estrogen for three weeks now.

As I mentioned previously, once I started taking the estrogens my ejaculations actually increased in volume. This continued for a while and I noticed instantly that these ejaculations were rather clear and watery compared to a normal ejaculation and certainly much different than my late-July results. My guess is that the glandular-concentrated "daubs" were thick with spermatozoa and the latter had considerably less sperm and more seminal fluid --> for whatever reason(s).

With the increased thinning and clearer fluid came more of a sensation during climax, possibly because seminal fluid alone has more acidity?

On the suggestion of CT212, I started taking low doses of spironolactone in addition to estrogen about one week ago.

I noticed about a week ago that I could no longer achieve a full, hard erection and also sensed from what erection I could get was a somewhat thinner shaft. The climaxes that I've achieved have been triggered by the brain -- just the right thoughts as usual -- at just the right time. It is quite difficult to get the penis from totally limp state to even begin to erect, then once that starts it will grow but not get totally hard -- close, though.

I went a few days last week without masturbating, tried on August 3rd (it was a struggle) and have not touched my member since except to pee. I have not been stimulated by text, messages, or pictures and have not looked for any stimulation in these last three days.

As I expected, my voice has become quite nasally. Previously, I had a rather deep-bass voice. My voice has not changed, but the depth has. It seemed that the "bottom" of my voice used to come from my throat, moved up into the nasal areas, and now seems to originate from inside my head (I know that is not possible; it is just how it seems). On Sunday I surprised myself as I spoke out loud during my desert walk -- it sounded like a sultry, deep woman's voice, very sexy.



If I can make it through today without whacking off I will be very happy. And, if this extends for several days, maybe the penis will start to stay small from neglect (we discussed this in detail on another thread). I woke this morning with a great, small, tight-pack, and I don't believe I've had nocturnal erections for several weeks.

- Jim

Hi Slave_Jim,

I would just like to add a few comments here. As you know my doctor started me on estrogen only from May to July. This was different from my estrogen and anti-androgen therapy that I was taking. Although I could feel the estrogen effects, it was a bit different than before. What I mean is that I felt horny in a female sort of way. I know that this might sound strange, but it is the only way I know how to descibe it.

It wasn't untill July, when my doctor increased the estrogen and added anti-androgens, that the erections had begun to cease once again. Yes, it can be difficult to achive an erection, but it is possible. It's just that now, I no longer have a desire to do so, and when I do, it is just out of curiosity.

As far as the voice is concerned, and as much as I would like to have a feminine voice, that will not change. What does seem to happen is a physcological effect, a need if you will, to sound female. Remember the waves of emotion that I had been talking about, this could be the effect of having a female disposition. I have bought tapes, and read methods of training the voice, but the best I can get is a boyish sounding voice. I suspect that surgery is the only way to obtain a voice that is in the feminine range for me.

Well, I thought I could give you a little more insight as to what I have experienced so far.

Chris

Greetings, Chris!

Thank you for your comments.

It is interesting how the estrogen affects us in different ways. Or, we are perceiving this differently.

Addendum to my post yesterday:

1 - Obviously I wash thoroughly in the shower, so that is another time I touch my penis. I like it when things are small here as well.

2 - I didn't make it without masturbating yesterday. Like you, my curiosity was killing me so I managed to achieve probably a 75% erection and ejaculated (in the dark).

It is tough getting a whack-off session going with less than 2-inches of soft flesh in between one's fingers. In the past, the erection would occur first and then I would have something reasonably long and somewhat hard to grab. Now, although I feel the stimulation (from my brain) the penis stays at head-size only for quite a while before it grows.

I realize that my voice has not changed but the depth most definitely has. It would be sort of like listening to your favorite music (PC, stereo...) with your favorite settings and then killing all the bass or playing same music 'flat' again. It could be lack of vibrations. My nasal area has really been plugged, too, and that could be the cause of it. But I know for sure I am not feeling my voice in my throat --- it's all in my head now --- whether I am crazy or not!

- Jim

Being a Dutch-German, I have an incredible desire for beer as a refreshment.

Since I started HRT, I have lost some of my taste for beer... hmmm. This might be a good thing (lose some bloat), save some money, but it's also unacceptable.

Time to weigh in all the possibilities!

- Jim

slave_jim (imported) wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2002 3:12 am Being a Dutch-German, I have an incredible desire for beer as a refreshment.

Since I started HRT, I have lost some of my taste for beer... hmmm. This might be a good thing (lose some bloat), save some money, but it's also unacceptable.

Time to weigh in all the possibilities!

I too have a bit of German in me. Both my grandparents on my mother's side were of German decent. I have never been much of a beer drinker, but I do love food, and that was my downfall. About 12-15 years ago I just started letting myself go. I didn't care about weight gain or health problems and I have gotten much overweight. But since I have been on HRT, I have seen a new outlook on myself. I am watching what I eat and going in for checkups now. I no longer desire snacks after dinner and I have lost a good bit of weight this year alone, 34 pounds off since February! And I know I lost some last year too, but I did not keep track, it was probablly 20-30 pounds also. Most of my clothes do not fit anymore and I am having to buy new ones. It is a good feeling to know that I am losing the pounds. The bottom line is that without the HRT, I most likely would have continued on the path of self destruction. It really has changed my life for the better.

slave_jim (imported) wrote: Thu Aug 08, 2002 4:15 am I didn't make it without masturbating yesterday. Like you, my curiosity was killing me so I managed to achieve probably a 75% erection and ejaculated (in the dark).

As I look at my previous post and also at the calendar, I am pleased to report that it has been a full week since I last masturbated. If I can make it thru today, that will give me about eight days!

I am delighted!

But this realization is stimulating in itself... so I hope I can at least make it to the weekend or even achieve a goal of two weeks without ejaculating. The challenge of course, is curiosity.

Although I continue my HRT, this weekend I went to two Diamondbacks' games. I felt as if I was given a boost of testosterone and my voice assumed its' original, deeper tone. Could it be from cheering and talking about the game? Unknown.

- Jim

Greetings to all!



Well, one of the goals of HRT is to reduce this need for masturbating! I am very pleased to report that I went approx. 204 hours (not quite nine days) without. I can live with that, for sure.

My curiosity was peaking on Wednesday P.M. and I had an explosion of near-clear seminal fluid (no white) that also seemed quite acidic, sharp. The after-feeling was pretty good (bites) and of course the flesh buzzed from not having any friction for a while.

I repeated this on Thursday P.M. and had another forceful detonation of clear fluid. Viscosity is way down; it seems more like a lube jell. No doubt anyone who felt this force would enjoy it internally. Again, I felt the sting of the fluid(s) and I started to hum. My erections were not quite 100%.

Ms. XNoCTuRNaLRoSeX will be biting me with her fangs and I know this will be a huge turn-on. I will only allow HER to do this to me. Hopefully, she will be going for my neck as I submit to Her.

Does anyone else have reports of changing ejaculate, volume, viscosity, surges, feelings, messes to clean up, etc.? Would love to read more!

- Jim