I'm considering chemical castration because my libido is in overdrive and i jerk at a dangerously high frequency which is interfering with my daily activities. I was on SSRIs for a year and they helped for a while by desensitizing the whole area as well as helping me control my thoughts. But once I go a month without relief even they can't control the buildup and the state of agitation which naturally leads me to go off them, seek relief, and repeat the cycle.

So my question is are these drugs worth considering?

And how do they affect intelligence and attention? What about impulsiveness and hair? And motivation and sleep?

Thanks.

arjacent (imported) wrote: Tue Apr 19, 2011 2:03 pm I'm considering chemical castration because my libido is in overdrive and i jerk at a dangerously high frequency which is interfering with my daily activities. I was on SSRIs for a year and they helped for a while by desensitizing the whole area as well as helping me control my thoughts. But once I go a month without relief even they can't control the buildup and the state of agitation which naturally leads me to go off them, seek relief, and repeat the cycle.

So my question is are these drugs worth considering?

And how do they affect intelligence and attention? What about impulsiveness and hair? And motivation and sleep?

Thanks.

Be careful as many of the drugs can affect your long term fertility. If you don't ever wish to have children it does not mater.

There are some herbs which may reduce your libido, but there are so many variables it may or may not work for you. Chasteberry is an natural anti-androgen. If it does not work for you, you will have to try one of the anti-androgen drugs on the market.

You're 24 years old. I'd find it odd if you were *not* jerking off a lot. As a matter of fact, I'd find it odd if you were not only jerking off a lot, but that apple pies, furniture, and livestock were not looking at you warily.

--LT

I agree, this seem like pretty normal behavior and maybe not worth fooling with your hormone balance if that is the only issue.

I was on SSRIs for a year

I assume the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors were prescribed?

Typically these are for compulsive behaviors.

No herb is going to completely handle OCDs & depression disorders. Some can help, but you will still need your Physician's input.

Chasteberry (Vitex agnus-castus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitex_agnu ... ite_ref-21)), once used by Monks (http://vitamins.ultimatefatburner.com/chasteberry.html), has a lot of folklore attached to it. Scientific studies abroad have suggested it helps reduce hormonal levels in men, but does little to suppress desire. In lore, it is still considered to be a good tonic for reproductive systems of men and women (Tonic does not mean repress). And, it can ruin your ability to maintain an erection, or even achieve one, later-on in life, if used too long.

It may also conflict with dopamine-related medications such asselegiline (http://nccam.nih.gov/health/chasteberry/), amantadine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amantadine), levodopa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levodopa), & Norepinephrine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norepinephrine).

Saw Palmetto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saw_palmetto) has been scientifically proven to reduce libido (http://prostate.emedtv.com/saw-palmetto ... fects.html), but mostly it is encouraged, or suggested, to older men with enlarged prostates. Younger guys shouldn't 'need' its benefits. It has some side effects.

Black (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Coho ... s_and_uses) and Blue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Cohosh) Cohosh has been bantered around for years by the trans-community, as having sex-changing properties in men (penil shrinkage, sex hormone deminishing), but please don't be fooled. Not going to happen, and has severe side effects.

There are a lot of other 'famous' herbal preperations (not for this forum), but none 'really' work, so don't waste your money or time.

If the SSRI's were prescribed, didn't you get some sort of counseling? Go back and have a serious discussion with your GP. If fooling with the appendage is as disruptive as you say, he may offer a solution. His first order is to preserve your 'Quality' of life.

As Losethem suggested, every young guy has a compulsion with his dick. Perhaps find an outlet like extreme sports, exercising, or bodybuilding etc. Burn off some of the excess hormones (ask an old fart about boot-camp). Get a hobby that REALLY occupies your brain and concentration.

The pituitary gland is fickle. Best not fool with it on your own.

What do you mean by "jerk at a dangerously high frequency "?

Riven (imported) wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:44 pm What do you mean by "jerk at a dangerously high frequency "?

At 24 years of age, I bet he means several times daily .

Riven (imported) wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2011 3:44 pm What do you mean by "jerk at a dangerously high frequency "?

6 hours non-stop. Believe me when I tell you it is disruptive.

Thanks for the input but I didn't exactly get my question answered

I'm already seeing a doctor (which is how I got the SSRIs) and I'm getting antiandrogens prescribed some time next week after my blood work comes back. So I don't need specific information on the herbs and drugs. My question regards how effective they are and what side effects have people who tried them experienced. I want to know if they will damp the drive (which is what I want) and not screw with my intelligence and future potency (which is something I wish to avoid).

Anti-androgen drugs such as Androcur are very strong meds that, if taken for a long enough period, will leave permanent effects on you. generally, most people believe that 6 months is considered the tipping point into permanent effects, but some people reported permanent effects with as little as 1 month, while others needed years. One never really knows when the effects become permanent or when they are still reversible. One can only find out after one stops the meds and find that the effects are here to stay.

From researching through the many posts on the EA message board, I have read quite a few people who used anti-androgen only for a short time (less than 3 months) experience lingering reduction in sexual abilities and pleasure, whether it be hardness of erection or pleasure from a climax. Of course, there are others who recovered fully.

First, the impact on libido. By drastically reducing testosterone, your libido will decrease. My own experience is that even with high doses of Androcur, for a 50+ y.o. man, I was never able to wipe out my libido, needing release at least once a week, down from 2 or 3 a week before Androcur. Having stopped after 4 years on Androcur, I still maintained the pace of about once every 1 to 2 weeks, with the longest stretch being 4 weeks (helped by other illnesses).

You mentioned the SSRI had gotten you down to a longest stretch of 1 month without jerking off. That's about as good as I ever got. Taking into account of the differences in our age, you did far better than me. And if you are not happy with one jerk off a month (that's less than some eunuchs get), then what really is your target -- you want zero libido, or just not being so often that jerking off takes over your life and disrupts everything you do? If the latter, at what level would you consider satisfactory, no longer disruptive?

The reason I stopped was because I could not handle the multitudes of side effects:

1. Loss of energy (just wanted to sleep)

2. Weight gains (because of the loss of energy, just can't bring myself to do anything strenuous)

3. Loss of concentration (Initially, the reduction in libido reduced any distractions from sexual urges. But I had a harder time concentrating on my work.)

4. Depression (I can't say I was in deep depression or suicidal tendacies, as some others had reported on this EA board. But the least problem becomes insurmountable. The smallest hickup in life causes me into crying and crying with no ability to think about finding a solution.)

5. Anemia (low red blood cells) developed.

6. Growth of breasts (which I kept in check with supplement of Tamoxifen).

7. A serious risk of developing osteoporosis.

Naturally, the anti-androgen have many effects on our sexuality: permanent reduction of libido (which is what you are after, I assume). But there are many other direct impacts on your sexuality that come together with the reduction of libido. You are the only judge to decide if you are ready for these:

1. permanent loss of fertility

2. significantly smaller testicles and penis

3. permanent difficulty in maintaining an erection (if at all)

4. permanent difficulty in getting hard enough for penetration

With the combination of Tamoxifen and Androcur, I was able to get to a maintenance level of only 10 mg Tamoxifen and 25 mg Androcur, which is very low.

Though I enjoyed the reduced libido, the side effects of low testosterone is too much. Even at my very low dosage, I had to stop Androcur.

After 4 years, most of the effects remained permanent, such as my lowered libido. But the side effects are mostly gone. My energy level is not back to what it used to be. I still don't feel like exercising as much as before. But at least my ability to think, concentrate and work returned. My weight has come back down a bit. My depression is mostly gone, though I still cry much easier than before.

I strongly recommend that you do more research on this EA message board for other people's experience.

All in all, I would be very hesitant to start such course of anti-androgen if I were at your age, if all I was after was less time jerking off.

You're naturally at your peak of sexuality. Sexual urges to the point of being disruptive is not at all uncommon at that age. You would probably require even higher doses than for a 50 yo to bring down testosterone sufficiently to leave you with the libido level you want. But with the higher doses, all the other sexual and non-sexual effects will be that much stronger, and will take less time to become permanent.

At the same time, at your age, your other organs and glands are not as mature and aged as a 50 yo. As such, there may well be other effects on the development of the rest of your body from a loss of testosterone that may or may not be what you want.

Compared to what you might end up having had to live with for the rest of your life, a disruptive number of jerking off in the short term may not be all that bad. I've had my days doing 6-hour jo sessions. Nothing terrible with that in and by itself.