Say me ,please, about of advantage and disadvantage
prepubertate boy's castration.
What is best age for this operation?
Sorry my poor english.
little boy castration
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Re: little boy castration
nothing, unless you are a dead Pope.
not to mention doubling that nothing if you are a little boy...
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not to mention doubling that nothing if you are a little boy...
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Re: little boy castration
The practice of intentionally castrating little boys (prepubescent) has fallen by the wayside. There are rumors flying around that it still happens, but they are just that - rumors.
While it is medically acceptable (if not rare) to castrate a young boy for various reasons including serious injury or torsion of the testicles, or in the case of disease, it's not something like taking their tonsils out. You just don't walk into a Doctor's office and say, "Hello, how much to castrate my son?"
The practice was banned in 1878 as far the Italian castrato singers went, and the last of the known Chinese eunuchs died in 1996 at the age of 94 ... or was it age 96 in 1994? I forget ... someone go look that one up. Thanks.
Castration / sterilization of boys was also practiced in institutions for the mentally ill and upon epileptics as well. The practice has - to the best of MY knowledge - been discontinued. I do have a newspaper knocking about here somewhere in the mess about an elderly man who was involuntarily sterilized here in Indiana in the 1930's, I think it was. I will have to find it.
Stories also state that castration, even total nullification of young boys, is still going on in certain Arab nations and African countries in the slave trade. Jesus A. seems to know more about this than anyone, so perhaps he will respond.
There are also cases of Guardians of certain tombs in the Islamic culture which are guarded by eunuchs, but I have little to no information on this sidelight. If anyone does, please post.
While it might be a topic for stories or fantasies, it's just not something that's a part of life anymore, unlike, oh, 200 years ago or so. Castration is no longer a job requirement as it used to be. We don't have the Castrati singers, we don't need harem guards, and our politicians and certain other positions are no longer filled by eunuchs.
Draw your own conclusions on that one.
While it is medically acceptable (if not rare) to castrate a young boy for various reasons including serious injury or torsion of the testicles, or in the case of disease, it's not something like taking their tonsils out. You just don't walk into a Doctor's office and say, "Hello, how much to castrate my son?"
The practice was banned in 1878 as far the Italian castrato singers went, and the last of the known Chinese eunuchs died in 1996 at the age of 94 ... or was it age 96 in 1994? I forget ... someone go look that one up. Thanks.
Castration / sterilization of boys was also practiced in institutions for the mentally ill and upon epileptics as well. The practice has - to the best of MY knowledge - been discontinued. I do have a newspaper knocking about here somewhere in the mess about an elderly man who was involuntarily sterilized here in Indiana in the 1930's, I think it was. I will have to find it.
Stories also state that castration, even total nullification of young boys, is still going on in certain Arab nations and African countries in the slave trade. Jesus A. seems to know more about this than anyone, so perhaps he will respond.
There are also cases of Guardians of certain tombs in the Islamic culture which are guarded by eunuchs, but I have little to no information on this sidelight. If anyone does, please post.
While it might be a topic for stories or fantasies, it's just not something that's a part of life anymore, unlike, oh, 200 years ago or so. Castration is no longer a job requirement as it used to be. We don't have the Castrati singers, we don't need harem guards, and our politicians and certain other positions are no longer filled by eunuchs.
Draw your own conclusions on that one.
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Re: little boy castration
I find prepubertal castration interesting from a fantasy point of view. For one thing, the boy will never grow a beard or body hair, so he won't have to shave. (I personally resent having to shave all the time, and if my legs were smooth I'd like that too.)
He wouldn't grow up to be as strong as other men, due to lack of testosterone, though.
There's got to be some real life eunuchs out there who lost (or did not have) their testicles before puberty. I wouldn't be surprised if the medical establishment put most of them on HRT, though.
He wouldn't grow up to be as strong as other men, due to lack of testosterone, though.
There's got to be some real life eunuchs out there who lost (or did not have) their testicles before puberty. I wouldn't be surprised if the medical establishment put most of them on HRT, though.
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Re: little boy castration
deboys (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 6:20 am Say me ,please, about of advantage and disadvantage
prepubertate boy's castration.
What is best age for this operation?
Sorry my poor english.
It is now against the law in every civilized country to castrate boys before the age of 18, which is when "informed consent" can be established. If you really need this kind of masturbation material, I suggest you leave the Eunuch Archives, go over to GOOGLE, and type in "Italian Opera castrati" and follow the links.
As usual, just my own humble opinion, not intending to speak for the EA or for anybody else in it.
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Re: little boy castration
you say that....
I am not sure if that is completely true. Some of the literature that I have unearthed on the web and posted here along with the source web address claims that the Castrati were...
Castrati were particularly known for their unique timbre: because of the surgery performed on them, their voice did not change with puberty. Upon adulthood, the size of their thoracic cage, their lung capacity, their physical stamina and their strength were usually above that of most men. They had, as a consequence, great vocal power, and some were able to sing notes for a minute or more. Finally, a small and flexible larynx, and relatively short vocal chords allowed them to vocalize over a rather wide range (over 3 and 1/2 octaves) and to sing with great agility (they could control wide intervals, long cascades and trills). Furthermore, castrati were initially selected among the best singers and received intensive training.
This quote was take from the post...
!!!! Farinelli !!!!
...on the Non-Fiction Articles area of this message board.
The castration of boys between the ages of 7 and 12 almost certainly lengthened their growth cycles, delaying the fusing of their skeletal growth sites, thus enabling them to grow taller than their contemporaries.
It could possibly be the case that the lack of sex hormones could cause a longer period of growth, thus enabling one to grow taller and bigger because one could grow for a longer period of time. Also, many were fed the best food, and nourishment helps one to grow bigger also. This seems to born out by written literature.
It is difficult to know because it has not been done to boys of the mentioned age groups for a long time. Some things we probably do not need to know.
Thanks!
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happousai (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:22 pm He wouldn't grow up to be as strong as other men, due to lack of testosterone, though.
I am not sure if that is completely true. Some of the literature that I have unearthed on the web and posted here along with the source web address claims that the Castrati were...
Castrati were particularly known for their unique timbre: because of the surgery performed on them, their voice did not change with puberty. Upon adulthood, the size of their thoracic cage, their lung capacity, their physical stamina and their strength were usually above that of most men. They had, as a consequence, great vocal power, and some were able to sing notes for a minute or more. Finally, a small and flexible larynx, and relatively short vocal chords allowed them to vocalize over a rather wide range (over 3 and 1/2 octaves) and to sing with great agility (they could control wide intervals, long cascades and trills). Furthermore, castrati were initially selected among the best singers and received intensive training.
This quote was take from the post...
!!!! Farinelli !!!!
...on the Non-Fiction Articles area of this message board.
The castration of boys between the ages of 7 and 12 almost certainly lengthened their growth cycles, delaying the fusing of their skeletal growth sites, thus enabling them to grow taller than their contemporaries.
It could possibly be the case that the lack of sex hormones could cause a longer period of growth, thus enabling one to grow taller and bigger because one could grow for a longer period of time. Also, many were fed the best food, and nourishment helps one to grow bigger also. This seems to born out by written literature.
It is difficult to know because it has not been done to boys of the mentioned age groups for a long time. Some things we probably do not need to know.
Thanks!
A-1
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Re: little boy castration
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It just occurred to me that this practice does happen regularly in India, due to the Hijra.
Does anyone have medical information on the Hijra?
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Also, what about chemical castration (e.g. by administering Androcur), which does not involve cutting off the boy's testicles - would this be legal in some civilized countries?
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There are also boys who are castrated for medical reasons. For example, the following message is from a guy who tells how he was castrated at the age of 5 due to undescended testicles (you may need to be subscribed to the MenWithoutBalls YahooGroup to read it):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenWithou ... essage/204
He was put on HRT however, so he doesn't count.
Andrew (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:56 pm It is now against the law in every civilized country to
> castrate boys before the age of 18
It just occurred to me that this practice does happen regularly in India, due to the Hijra.
Does anyone have medical information on the Hijra?
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Also, what about chemical castration (e.g. by administering Androcur), which does not involve cutting off the boy's testicles - would this be legal in some civilized countries?
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There are also boys who are castrated for medical reasons. For example, the following message is from a guy who tells how he was castrated at the age of 5 due to undescended testicles (you may need to be subscribed to the MenWithoutBalls YahooGroup to read it):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MenWithou ... essage/204
He was put on HRT however, so he doesn't count.
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Re: little boy castration
There are several possible reasons for the "castration" (in the broadest sense) of small boys in the twenty-first century.
1) DISEASE or INJURY resulting in the loss of one or both testicles. This is fairly rare, but not unknown. My nephew lost one testicle to injury when he was young. I had to keep reminding everyone in the family that a significant design feature of humans is redundant systems. He still has one functioning testicle and the three children to prove that it works just fine. He went through early puberty and looks hyper-masculine because of the abundance of testosterone produced by the survivor. He did not need or undergo any HRT. VERY rarely a boy will loose both testicles to disease or injury. In the modern world HRT will produce all of the signs of normal puberty, except that he will remain sterile with no place to produce sperm. With implantation of prostheses, no one would ever suspect that he was a eunuch unless told. Extremely rarely, one or both testicles will atrophy and disappear spontaneously. I know of one case where a boy had very small testicles at his physical examination at age 12. At age 13 neither testicle could be found and HRT was begun to provide normal puberty. Prostheses were inserted at age 15 so that he would not feel embarrassed showering in the gym. With continued HRT, he is outwardly fully masculine, married and with an adopted child.
2) FAILURE of existing testicles to function properly. Hypogonadism has a multitude of causes, some well understood and some not yet. In most cases HRT will produce normal puberty and development (with or without growth of the testicles and with or without production of viable sperm depending on the cause). And this is the standard practice in any part of the world with modern medical care. Some of the counter-tenors (adult male sopranos) singing today are said to have untreated hypogonadism, though there are unsubstantiated rumors that some of them have actually been physically castrated before puberty. The most persistent rumors swirled about the late Brazilian countertenor Paolo Abel do Nascimento and there are continuing rumors about the Ukrainian countertenor Oleg Riabets. Both are claimed to have untreated hypogonadism. However....... [there are several notes related to castrati and countertenors on the non-fiction board]
3) PHYSICAL CASTRATION for no medical necessity. There is no place in the modern world where this is legally sanctioned! It has happened more recently than Paolo's post would have us believe, however. Slavery was not legally abolished in Saudi Arabia until 1962 and continued to exist in parts of the country well beyond that date. There is clear documentation of slave boys being castrated by slave dealers and in Saudi hospitals as late as the mid-1950s. (See the publications of Anti-Slavery International or Sean O'Callaghan's book "The Slave Trade Today" for details) I had a Saudi friend in graduate school who claimed that he knew a slave boy who had been castrated in the mid-1960s in southwestern Saudi Arabia. I have no reason to doubt his report. In the mid-1970s, Anti-Slavery International reported on the castration of small boys in Afghanistan to serve as sex toys. In the 1980s, Louis Dupree wrote in one of his books about Afghanistan that he was surprised to discover that one of the dancing boys (popular teahouse entertainers) he interviewed had NOT been castrated. In the 1990s Anti-Slavery International reported on the castration of two southern Sudanese (Black) boys of 10 and 12 in the Sudan to make them better domestic servants in the Arab north of the country. There are current rumors that some rural Indian families have dedicated a young son to the goddess Bahucharamata and had him castrated to join the hijira. I have not been able to track down any clear evidence of the truth of these rumors. The youngest Indian case I have found proof of is the castration of a 15 year-old near Baroda in 1982. Clearly post-puberty, though certainly not yet an adult. [a full report is on the non-fiction board] Does the castration of small boys still happen anywhere in the world today? Probably! This is a nightmare that has yet to disappear. Nowhere, however, is it legally or morally acceptable.
A long thread on the old message board (before it crashed and burned), "The Evangelical Church of the Lambs of Christ," asked whether the castration of a 10 or 12 year-old boy was EVER ethically justified in the modern world. No one argued that there was any case where it was.
We all understand the difference between fantasy and reality. Castration can be a powerful event in a well-written piece of fiction. Anne Rice's novel "Cry to Heaven" or Kingsley Amis' "The Alteration" are good examples from mainstream fiction. Here on the Archive, Charlieje's "Andy" and Paolo's "For Your Own Good" are two examples of powerful stories that center on the castration of children. They are as good (or better) than most fiction which sees print in the mainstream. But, they ARE fiction!
1) DISEASE or INJURY resulting in the loss of one or both testicles. This is fairly rare, but not unknown. My nephew lost one testicle to injury when he was young. I had to keep reminding everyone in the family that a significant design feature of humans is redundant systems. He still has one functioning testicle and the three children to prove that it works just fine. He went through early puberty and looks hyper-masculine because of the abundance of testosterone produced by the survivor. He did not need or undergo any HRT. VERY rarely a boy will loose both testicles to disease or injury. In the modern world HRT will produce all of the signs of normal puberty, except that he will remain sterile with no place to produce sperm. With implantation of prostheses, no one would ever suspect that he was a eunuch unless told. Extremely rarely, one or both testicles will atrophy and disappear spontaneously. I know of one case where a boy had very small testicles at his physical examination at age 12. At age 13 neither testicle could be found and HRT was begun to provide normal puberty. Prostheses were inserted at age 15 so that he would not feel embarrassed showering in the gym. With continued HRT, he is outwardly fully masculine, married and with an adopted child.
2) FAILURE of existing testicles to function properly. Hypogonadism has a multitude of causes, some well understood and some not yet. In most cases HRT will produce normal puberty and development (with or without growth of the testicles and with or without production of viable sperm depending on the cause). And this is the standard practice in any part of the world with modern medical care. Some of the counter-tenors (adult male sopranos) singing today are said to have untreated hypogonadism, though there are unsubstantiated rumors that some of them have actually been physically castrated before puberty. The most persistent rumors swirled about the late Brazilian countertenor Paolo Abel do Nascimento and there are continuing rumors about the Ukrainian countertenor Oleg Riabets. Both are claimed to have untreated hypogonadism. However....... [there are several notes related to castrati and countertenors on the non-fiction board]
3) PHYSICAL CASTRATION for no medical necessity. There is no place in the modern world where this is legally sanctioned! It has happened more recently than Paolo's post would have us believe, however. Slavery was not legally abolished in Saudi Arabia until 1962 and continued to exist in parts of the country well beyond that date. There is clear documentation of slave boys being castrated by slave dealers and in Saudi hospitals as late as the mid-1950s. (See the publications of Anti-Slavery International or Sean O'Callaghan's book "The Slave Trade Today" for details) I had a Saudi friend in graduate school who claimed that he knew a slave boy who had been castrated in the mid-1960s in southwestern Saudi Arabia. I have no reason to doubt his report. In the mid-1970s, Anti-Slavery International reported on the castration of small boys in Afghanistan to serve as sex toys. In the 1980s, Louis Dupree wrote in one of his books about Afghanistan that he was surprised to discover that one of the dancing boys (popular teahouse entertainers) he interviewed had NOT been castrated. In the 1990s Anti-Slavery International reported on the castration of two southern Sudanese (Black) boys of 10 and 12 in the Sudan to make them better domestic servants in the Arab north of the country. There are current rumors that some rural Indian families have dedicated a young son to the goddess Bahucharamata and had him castrated to join the hijira. I have not been able to track down any clear evidence of the truth of these rumors. The youngest Indian case I have found proof of is the castration of a 15 year-old near Baroda in 1982. Clearly post-puberty, though certainly not yet an adult. [a full report is on the non-fiction board] Does the castration of small boys still happen anywhere in the world today? Probably! This is a nightmare that has yet to disappear. Nowhere, however, is it legally or morally acceptable.
A long thread on the old message board (before it crashed and burned), "The Evangelical Church of the Lambs of Christ," asked whether the castration of a 10 or 12 year-old boy was EVER ethically justified in the modern world. No one argued that there was any case where it was.
We all understand the difference between fantasy and reality. Castration can be a powerful event in a well-written piece of fiction. Anne Rice's novel "Cry to Heaven" or Kingsley Amis' "The Alteration" are good examples from mainstream fiction. Here on the Archive, Charlieje's "Andy" and Paolo's "For Your Own Good" are two examples of powerful stories that center on the castration of children. They are as good (or better) than most fiction which sees print in the mainstream. But, they ARE fiction!
Re: little boy castration
Andrew (imported) wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:56 pm I suggest you leave the Eunuch Archives, go over to GOOGLE, and type in "Italian Opera castrati" and follow the links.
There are plenty of castrati stories and stories involving boys posted on the Archive. It just takes a while to find them, especially the older ones. While I hold fast to the opinion that reading/writing is a healthy fantasy outlet, they are just that - FANTASY.
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> with modern medical care.
For what reason do they perform HRT on boys with nonfunctioning testicles, anyway? As a male who has gone through puberty, I can attest to its various disadvantages (acne, wasting a lot of time looking at porn to satisfy my sex drive, growth of beard and body hair).
Do they just do it so that the boy will look "normal", or are there also medical reasons?
JesusA (imported) wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2002 5:33 pm FAILURE of existing testicles to function properly.
> Hypogonadism has a multitude of causes, some well
> understood and some not yet. In most cases HRT will
> produce normal puberty and development (with or
> without growth of the testicles and with or without
> production of viable sperm depending on the cause).
> And this is the standard practice in any part of the world
> with modern medical care.
For what reason do they perform HRT on boys with nonfunctioning testicles, anyway? As a male who has gone through puberty, I can attest to its various disadvantages (acne, wasting a lot of time looking at porn to satisfy my sex drive, growth of beard and body hair).
Do they just do it so that the boy will look "normal", or are there also medical reasons?