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We're not crazy or suicidal

Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:41 pm
by raynestorm (imported)
When it comes to castration there are two camps:

Fantasy. This is more common with men then you'd believe. It usually involves a very attractive woman giving a man his last orgasam before taking that ability from him.

For most of this group it will never go beyond being a fantasy - and there's nothing wrong with that.

Non-fantasy.

The men in this group want it for various reasons but we're serious about it. The problem is that no one wants to help us.

Even if you're a TG, you need to live for two years full time as a woman (and I have) before you're allowed. Then you have to come up with the money - and that's extremely difficult. There are only a handful of surgeons that will perform it and not without recommendations from 2 mental heath professionals and one medical health professional. It's their way of protecting them from litigation.

It's worse if you're NOT a TG because people are never happy with any answer you give them. They file you under 'crazy' and think you need mental help. You can pass all the evals they give you in that arena, but as long as you still seek castration, they'll simply think you're insane.

So what most of us are left with is the consumming desire to have this done but no one to help us do it. The medical community will help with just about anything else - Women needing breast implants need only walk in and get it done. An abortion? Have a seat, they'll even do it at the free clinic.

The end result is a person in a pressure cooker - the desire to have the procedure done and no one willing to do it without more money than can be afforded.

Something has to give.

The men that try self-castration aren't insane, they're at their frustration saturation point. They simply can't take it anymore. They know that what they're doing could kill them, but it's worth the risk if it works.

If our goal was death itself, don't you think we'd choose a method that was somewhat less painful than hacking off one's own wobbly bits?

One of the arguments people make for abortion is that prior to Roe V. Wade women died trying to give themselves an abortion via a coat hanger. That safe, affordable abortions ultimately save lives.

Pitty that 'my body, my choice' applies only to that one instance when it's clear that - if equal latitude were given to TG's and others wishing to be castrated - we could also save lives.

Re: We're not crazy or suicidal

Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:39 pm
by baldwin92 (imported)
I agree with your assessment, I am not crazy. I have never wanted my testicles, but I like and want to stay a man. Now that I am on TRT because my testicles no longer work as needed, and I already have children, I no longer need them for any reason. But as you know it is almost impossible to have them removed in a safe setting like a doctor and hospital.

Re: We're not crazy or suicidal

Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:26 pm
by morganster (imported)
raynestorm (imported) wrote: Mon Jan 03, 2011 5:41 pm When it comes to castration there are two camps:

Fantasy. This is more common with men then you'd believe. It usually involves a very attractive woman giving a man his last orgasam before taking that ability from him.

For most of this group it will never go beyond being a fantasy - and there's nothing wrong with that.

Non-fantasy.

The men in this group want it for various reasons but we're serious about it. The problem is that no one wants to help us.

Even if you're a TG, you need to live for two years full time as a woman (and I have) before you're allowed. Then you have to come up with the money - and that's extremely difficult. There are only a handful of surgeons that will perform it and not without recommendations from 2 mental heath professionals and one medical health professional. It's their way of protecting them from litigation.

It's worse if you're NOT a TG because people are never happy with any answer you give them. They file you under 'crazy' and think you need mental help. You can pass all the evals they give you in that arena, but as long as you still seek castration, they'll simply think you're insane.

So what most of us are left with is the consumming desire to have this done but no one to help us do it. The medical community will help with just about anything else - Women needing breast implants need only walk in and get it done. An abortion? Have a seat, they'll even do it at the free clinic.

The end result is a person in a pressure cooker - the desire to have the procedure done and no one willing to do it without more money than can be afforded.

Something has to give.

The men that try self-castration aren't insane, they're at their frustration saturation point. They simply can't take it anymore. They know that what they're doing could kill them, but it's worth the risk if it works.

If our goal was death itself, don't you think we'd choose a method that was somewhat less painful than hacking off one's own wobbly bits?

One of the arguments people make for abortion is that prior to Roe V. Wade women died trying to give themselves an abortion via a coat hanger. That safe, affordable abortions ultimately save lives.

Pitty that 'my body, my choice' applies only to that one instance when it's clear that - if equal latitude were given to TG's and others wishing to be castrated - we could also save lives.

One possible way to see the problem through the eyes of the greater society is to consider how you would respond if you were a doctor who was asked by someone to amputate one or both of their arms 'simply' because they have an overwhelming desire to get rid of them. What would you think of such a person?

An abortion removes a 'growth' from a woman's body that she doesn't want and wasn't there before she was impregnated. Testicles are part of the 'normal' male physiology. The desire to have them removed is seen as an 'aberrant' desire, like, say, pedophilia or some such thing.

I, for one, falling as I do in the first category (the fantasy category) would like to hear from a (pardon the expression) 'compulsive' like yourself what is the nature of your compulsion? Can you either articulate the compulsion clearly for those of us who don't have it or refer to some other writing of someone who has 'described' the compulsion clearly enough so the rest of us can understand it?

For example, I am homosexual. I can describe my 'compulsion' for same gender sex as being similar to a 'normal' person's desire for opposite gender sex. So, presumably, anyone who is heterosexual can understand my 'compulsion' in terms of their own compulsion for opposite gender sex. A heterosexual man can understand my homosexuality in terms of their female lover's desire for sex with a man like themselves, and a heterosexual female can understand it in terms of their male lover's desire for sex with a woman like themselves.

So, similarly, can you help those of us without a castration compulsion understand your compulsion?

Re: We're not crazy or suicidal

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:44 am
by baldwin92 (imported)
It probably is difficult for you to understand the compulsion to have testicles removed as you see them as a natural part of your body. Personally I see them as non-essential and ugly. You could compare it to anyone having plastic surgery to correct something they see as a flaw in their appearance. While we may see their nose or a birthmark as no big deal and say live with it, the person may need to have the flaws they see corrected. I suppose there is some degree of obsessive psychosis involved but if it does no harm and makes the person feel better about themselves, why not?

Re: We're not crazy or suicidal

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:12 am
by raynestorm (imported)

morganster (imported) wrote: Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:26 pm I, for one, falling as I do in the first category (the fantasy category) would like to hear from a (pardon the expression) 'compulsive' like yourself what is the nature of your compulsion? Can you either articulate the compulsion clearly for those of us who don't have it or refer to some other writing of someone who has 'described' the compulsion clearly enough so the rest of us can understand it?

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Yes, as the poster above me said, I don't see them as a natural part of my body. I'm a girl, I was just born in the wrong body - so to me they don't belong. Their very presence is a humiliation. They hinder my body's natural ability to grow breasts and give me many male characteristics that I don't want.

Re: We're not crazy or suicidal

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:10 pm
by Caith721 (imported)
I personally want my testicles gone, because they have caused me more troubles than not during my life. Testosterone has not been my friend, it has been more of an evil monkey, always on my back, always noisy, always demanding. After fifty years, I've had enough. I'm sick and tired of it, and want the issue to go away, permanently. If that marks me as crazy, suicidal, or psychotic, I'd love to hear someone defend that position. How the HELL do they know what I've lived with all my life?

Re: We're not crazy or suicidal

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:34 pm
by morganster (imported)
Caith721 (imported) wrote: Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:10 pm I personally want my testicles gone, because they have caused me more troubles than not during my life. Testosterone has not been my friend, it has been more of an evil monkey, always on my back, always noisy, always demanding. After fifty years, I've had enough. I'm sick and tired of it, and want the issue to go away, permanently. If that marks me as crazy, suicidal, or psychotic, I'd love to hear someone defend that position. How the HELL do they know what I've lived with all my life?

I, for one, do not consider you our anyone like you crazy, suicidal, or psychotic. As I pointed out in my earlier post, I fall into the 'fantasy' category myself, having as I do, intense erotic fantasies about castration - for myself, or for story characters that I identify with (fictional ones like in EA fiction site). I don't fantasize about dominating or mastering others and cutting off their balls. In my case the fantasy is all about me. But I have an absolute horror of actually doing it or actually becoming a eunuch. Call it cognitive dissonance - I can cop to that.

Once their gone, they're gone. You can't get an erotic thrill out of 'doing it' more than once. So I guess you guys are not in it for the thrill but for something else, and it's the something else that I, for one, am curious about.

I get that some of you are psychically female and want to get rid of your male parts for that reason, so that motive I fully understand. But why would a psychically male person want to do it? I hear the 'evil monkey' plea, but I confess that I also hear in that a 'conditioning' from a puritanical society that sex, sexuality, and lust are evil and sinful. They're not, not at all.

Perhaps some with this desire are pedophiles and can't live with their unrequited desire. They absolutely refuse to engage sexually with a child, as well they should not, but can't stand the constant, unrequited lustful yearnings. That sounds like an honorable motive.

For others, whose lustful yearnings are for adults of either gender, I can't grok the 'yearning to be free' versus the romantic pursuit of one or more lovers.

Re: We're not crazy or suicidal

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:28 pm
by Caith721 (imported)
I'm reminded of the Daffy Duck cartoon where he's auditioning for the talent agent, building up to the most stupendous feat ever imagined. Except he can only do it once.

Re: We're not crazy or suicidal

Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 5:18 am
by nullorchis (imported)
Caith721 (imported) wrote: Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:10 pm I personally want my testicles gone, because they have caused me more troubles than not during my life. Testosterone has not been my friend, it has been more of an evil monkey, always on my back, always noisy, always demanding. After fifty years, I've had enough. I'm sick and tired of it, and want the issue to go away, permanently. If that marks me as crazy, suicidal, or psychotic, I'd love to hear someone defend that position. How the HELL do they know what I've lived with all my life?

I was born a male and ever since day 1 of puberty was first of all only interested in male male sexual activity, followed by an intense need to be non-sexual, even before I learned from society that I was homosexual and it was a bad thing to be homosexual. So, nobody said it was bad to want to be a non-sexual.

Since finally, after 50 years of achieving my non-sexual self, it has occurred to me that those of us who want to be castrated really only want to eliminate testosterone. It took hundreds of millions of years for the male-female sex drive process to evolve in response to the survival of the species drive.

Testosterone is a powerful addictive hormone that control us beyond our mental capabilities. But a few of us are fortunate enough to know that we either do not want or need to reproduce, or have already reproduced, and we have no mental, emotional, or intellectual need for sexual activity. We overcome and overpower the control that testosterone has over us and we seek corrective action.

Unfortunately human society has not understood that eliminating testosterone is a good thing, as society in general is still controlled by the DNA of testosterone. The adoption of vasectomy as an acceptable action is a step in the right direction. Hard to know when voluntary castration will also be an accepted action. Not in my life time. If castration were as easily available as vasectomy I would have had it done 50 years ago. But, safe and affordable surgical castration, not being available, meant that I had to fulfill my personal DNA directive and attempt on my own to eliminate testosterone. It was a long dangerous journey, but I have finally accomplished my life long goal. Not surgically castrated, but at least, what I shall call de-testonteronized, and de-seminized. I am still male, still prefer male to male relationships, but am at last not being ruled and controlled by nature's curse - a sex drive.