Hi, fellow outcast of society! ^_^

Lately, I've done some research on the possible side effects of male castration, and it follows:

Decreased Libido

Infertility

Feeling Calm

Post Surgery Depression

Hot Flashes

Physical Appearance (muscle mass fades/becomes fat)

Loss of Physical Strength

Decreased Energy

Weight Gain

Body Hair

Vulnerability to Arthritis

Mental Effects (decline of memory/concentration)

All of this is SWELL AND DANDY^_^ with the exception of the later mind fork, considering my aspirations of a writer/illustrator/publisher may be in jeopardy, sincerely.

And so my question is thus, is there anyway to avoid becoming as a senile old man, dear god, WELL before my THIRTIES?

~ Hugs and kisses

Your list may be correct, but I can't seem to remember anymore. --FLO--

Lately I've been experiencing extreme difficulty with making decisions. This extends to decisions as simple as what I want for lunch. I've never been overly good at making snap decisions, but it seems to be especially bad lately. I would imagine it is possible the hormonal changes I am undergoing are playing a role.

Norris_Foxx (imported) wrote: Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:29 pm Hi, fellow outcast of society! ^_^

And so my question is thus, is there anyway to avoid becoming as a senile old man, dear god, WELL before my THIRTIES?

~ Hugs and kisses

As an almost 13 year no T eunuch I am far from senile. Of course as a caregiver working with the senile my self appraisal may be skewed.

One thing you omitted was bone loss and a susceptibility to osteoporosis.

You do have control over weight gain or loss by controlling your appetite. If you have less energy and do less, you need fewer calories- its a pretty simple balance.

Diminished mental effects are not at all true and have been disproven by the lives of many eunuchs around the globe. Certain types of arthritis are more prevalent among men so there would possibly bemuch less vulnerability to arthritis. Hot flashes only occur when there are discrepancies between the hourly output of certain hormones. If one is acclimated toward being a eunuch then they will not suffer from hot flashes. Most eunuchs do not have hot flashes throughout their lives. The last imperial eunuch of China did not look that much overweight to me. He died a few years back and was said to be of sound mind and body. He probably had a traditional diet containing many greens since he didn't even seem to have osteoporosis. (Osteoporosis is the main concern.) Libido, calmness and infertility are interconnected but are unnecessary and even arguably counter-productive toward a happy, long, prosperous and pensative life.

Norris_Foxx (imported) wrote: Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:29 pm Hi, fellow outcast of society! ^_^

Lately, I've done some research on the possible side effects of male castration, and it follows:

Decreased Libido

Infertility

Feeling Calm

Post Surgery Depression

Hot Flashes

Physical Appearance (muscle mass fades/becomes fat)

Loss of Physical Strength

Decreased Energy

Weight Gain

Body Hair

Vulnerability to Arthritis

Mental Effects (decline of memory/concentration)

All of this is SWELL AND DANDY^_^ with the exception of the later mind fork, considering my aspirations of a writer/illustrator/publisher may be in jeopardy, sincerely.

And so my question is thus, is there anyway to avoid becoming as a senile old man, dear god, WELL before my THIRTIES?

~ Hugs and kisses

plix (imported) wrote: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:54 pm Lately I've been experiencing extreme difficulty with making decisions. This extends to decisions as simple as what I want for lunch. I've never been overly good at making snap decisions, but it seems to be especially bad lately. I would imagine it is possible the hormonal changes I am undergoing are playing a role.

When I experienced a sudden drop in testosterone I experienced the same extreme difficulty with concentration, making decisions, being interested in doing anything.

I think it was the large sudden drop in T that caused these feelings, at least in my case.

Dr. prescribed TRT for me which brought me back to "life", I regained my strength, concentration, and decision making abilities.

I slowly decreased the TRT, then started Siterone.

All of this took a couple of years.

During that 2 years my T level slowly kept going up and down as I experimented with different options, until it finally got so low that I stopped using siterone. I engaged in another T lowering technique that I won't go into here as it is too risky to suggest and I don't want to be the source of information that someone might use and harm themselves.

Now I am taking a little TRT just to maintain a T level of about 150. Just enough to avoid sexual desires and performance and hopefully avoid osteporosis or other low T issues.

It's an odd trade off really. The cost of TRT is about the cost of siterone.

In the beginning I could not maintain a low T level without siterone.

Now I can't maintain a minimal T level without TRT.

But I like it better this way. Siterone had liver issues and there are no significant negative side effects of TRT.

I have clarity of mind, making decisions is good, though I am a little tired and weak....a small price to pay for finally eliminating sexual desire and performance and all the tension and anxiety that comes with that.

I now know from personal experience that I am in control of my body and mind instead of my hormones being in control. Until you eliminate the need for sex that is built into you by nature, you are unlikely to achieve maximum peace and harmony in mind and body.

Sure, guys think sexual desire, ability and performance are essential, and having none makes you sub standard, a failure. If nature's hormones are telling your body you crave sex, but you can't perform, sure, that is going to be cause for anxiety and frustration.

Reducing testosterone, in my personal experience, to a level where nature no longer makes your mind and body crave sex is a great relief. Nature only does this out of self-protection, to ensure survival of the species. But there are enough people of this planet to ensure that survival. A life without sexual cravings and desire may be missing a few moments of sexual satisfaction, but I have found that a life without sexual cravings and desires is, for me, a life that has many more pleasurable moments of calm, focus and satisfaction.

Until you have experienced an at ease mind and body you will think such a claim to be absurd. From my trials and tribulations I now believe that a year or two on siterone or androcur to at slowly lower your T level, and maintain a very low T level long enough to experience the benefits of low testosterone, is a much better alternative than sudden castration. If one were suddenly castrated because of the desire to be free of testosterone, or for any reason, then I would suggest that they start using TRT immediately and then slowly, over at least a year, maybe longer, reduce the TRT dose. The body does not take lightly to sudden changes. But given the time to adapt, and in maintaining a healthy low level of T, life does not just get better, it is good.

nullorchis (imported) wrote: Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:51 am Until you have experienced an at ease mind and body you will think such a claim to be absurd. From my trials and tribulations I now believe that a year or two on siterone or androcur to at slowly lower your T level, and maintain a very low T level long enough to experience the benefits of low testosterone, is a much better alternative than sudden castration. If one were suddenly castrated because of the desire to be free of testosterone, or for any reason, then I would suggest that they start using TRT immediately and then slowly, over at least a year, maybe longer, reduce the TRT dose. The body does not take lightly to sudden changes. But given the time to adapt, and in maintaining a healthy low level of T, life does not just get better, it is good.

Yeah, sudden anything with hormones is not good. I am still taking the shots, no gel here. I like the level I get in the mid point of the cycle. Today is a great day, I have energy, clarity and creativity. I am going to get a blood test to find out the level for today (I am guessing it might be in the 300s maybe less) I like the idea of lowering the dosage which is something that the doctor wants to do anyway I think because of the liver and prostate issues.

Takes time but over the long term I think it would be worth it to be able to take the smallest dose possible.

Nullorchis...you mention Androcur and Siterone, but no mention of Spiro..

I love your description of how smooth and gentle your life has become..It's what I'm looking for, plus some feminization...I've been contemplating a regimen of Spiro and Estradiol... Any advice? dragonfly

butterflyjack (imported) wrote: Sat Dec 04, 2010 5:07 am Nullorchis...you mention Androcur and Siterone, but no mention of Spiro..

I love your description of how smooth and gentle your life has become..It's what I'm looking for, plus some feminization...I've been contemplating a regimen of Spiro and Estradiol... Any advice? dragonfly

The difference between Spironolactone and Androcur/Siterone is like the difference between beer and liquor. Spiro may do the job but takes much more and has you peeing much more due to its diuretic effect. It is also cheaper and readily available in the US if you are doing this with your doctor.