Well, after much waiting and calling to find out exactly what the heck was holding them up, I finally got the results back for my bone scan. As closely as I can manage, I will now present them for you.

Age: 29

Sex: Male

Spine (L2 - L4)

This patient's BMD of the spine is very osteopenic and, in fact, is within one-quarter standard deviation of being osteoporotic. His fracture risk is moderate. Secondary causes of bone loss should be ruled out and treatment should be considered. A follow-up BMD is recommended in one year to monitor his response to therapy.

0.949 g/cm^2 Bone Mineral Density

Loss of -23% Compared to Young Adult

Loss of -2.4 SD Compared to Young Adult

-2.4 T Score

29 Chronological Age

Left Femur (Neck)

This patient's BMD of the femoral neck is mildly osteopenic, and his present fracture risk is very low. A follow-up BMD is recommended in three to five years to monitor the progress of his bone mineral density.

0.917 g/cm^2 Bone Mineral Density

Loss of -14% Compared to Young Adult

Loss of -1.2 SD Compared to Young Adult

-1.2 T Score

68 Average age for this BMD

29 Chronological Age

World Health Organization Criteria

Normal: A value for BMD or BMC within 1 SD (Standard Deviation) of the young adult reference mean.

Osteopenia: A value for BMD or BMC more than 1 SD below the young adult mean, but less than 2.5 SD below this value.

Osteoporosis: A value for BMD or BMC 2.5 SD or more below the young adult mean.

Severe Osteoporosis: A value for BMD or BMC more than 2.5 SD below the young adult mean in the presence of one or more fragility fractures.

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So, as near as I can determine, I've lost 23% of the calcium in my spine, and am a gnat's wing from full osteoporosis. My legs though, are somewhat better, only having lost 14% of the calcium, leaving me at the low end of Osteopenia.

Now, I've been a eunuch for 3.5 years. And of that time, I have been on testosterone injections (at fairly high levels), for at least 2.5 years. Was off for approx 6 months before I started them to begin with, and have been off the last 6 as well.

Eunuchs CAN have major bone problems. The two options I have for causes are: 1) my bones have lost this much in (essentially) one year without testosterone, and 2) the testosterone wasn't exactly all that effective. Either way, this is defnitely something all eunuchs should watch out for.

IEunuch.

(Been a strange day overall.... must be manic....)

Even though I've never had a bone density scan, and don't plan to, one thing that I did notice since my own testosterone levels started to decline a few years ago due to gradual shutdown from repeated bouts of infection was that one day when I got angry (which I do easily - I have a volatile temper that's only getting worse) I punched the bedside of my Dodge truck. Well, it dented it in, not as far as I'd hoped, but I broke my hand and cracked a knuckle bone really good! I then promptly wet my pants and screamed.

Now keep in mind, I've punched my hand through the windshields of a Ford Mustang, a Chevy truck side glass, a Dodge sliding rear window, and punched the hood of someone's Firebird in so bad that it had to be replaced. I've also knocked numerous ASI windows out of MY house with my hands, not to mention several faces, noses, and teeth of those unfortunate enough to be on the receiving end.

Needless to say, I was stunned when I broke my hand on the bedside of the Dodge. (That was the blue one I drove up to MN last year, God rest it in peace!)

So I guess this says a few things - Dodge is built better and those whose hormones fall off get weaker bones.

That or I'm just getting older.

Anyways ... take care of yourself, IE. Get a cow if you have to, or start munching oyster shells.

BossTamsin (imported) wrote: Fri May 10, 2002 2:34 pm Eunuchs CAN have major bone problems. The two options I have for causes are: 1) my bones have lost this much in (essentially) one year without testosterone, and 2) the testosterone wasn't exactly all that effective. Either way, this is defnitely something all eunuchs should watch out for.

IEunuch.

(Been a strange day overall.... must be manic....)

Thank you for posting this. My own Physician, Donna Garnier, P.A. has put me on 1,500 MG of calcium daily, encouraged bone-stressing exercises like walking, and has assured me that I will have bone desity scans every two years, and that if worst comes to worst I can be put on FOSOMAX or other bone-building drugs. Is FOSOMAX or equivilents available in Canada?

Yes, FOSOMAX and equivalents are up here. And once my doc finished double-checking the name on the report, re-reading the test results, and generally picking his jaw up off the floor, his first act was to write me a scrip for "Didrocal". And guess what? It's even covered! So, starting Monday, I start the new calcium regimen.

IEunuch.

BossTamsin (imported) wrote: Fri May 10, 2002 8:29 pm Yes, FOSOMAX and equivalents are up here. And once my doc finished double-checking the name on the report, re-reading the test results, and generally picking his jaw up off the floor, his first act was to write me a scrip for "Didrocal". And guess what? It's even covered! So, starting Monday, I start the new calcium regimen.

IEunuch.

I am, of course, pleased that the canadian health system is covering this aspect of your problem. Is there any way the doctor could use the fact of your bone loss as a justification to put you back on testosterone?

Thanks for your posting and warning, IE. I am still stubborn enough to suggest that your bone density loss might not be the result of testosterone loss. You are a sample of 1, and so am I, and I have experienced no calcium loss whatsoever.

The thing that makes me most suspicious about your case is the fact that you suffered so much loss in only 1 year. To me that says either, as you suggest, that HRT doesn't do the entire job, or possibly there is something else going on in your system.

According to my former doctor, who retired 2 years ago. I am not eligible for calcium supplements because I have a parathyroid condition that tends to elevate the calcium levels in my blood to dangerous levels. We shall soon see because I am going to a new doctor next week.

In any case, IE, take care of yourself and do whatever you have to do to keep your calcium levels up. You have a long life ahead of you and you don't need broken bones along the way.

I am glad to see some real life information on the bone loss issue. I previously posted on the seriousness of this, but got the impression that most eunuch-wannabes considered it a mild risk. It is actually very serious!

I am glad the bone retention drug is covered for you IEunuch. I wonder how long before Campbell decides that oesteoporosis doesn't need to be covered ...

IEunuch, glad you can get some relief now if you’re Doctor would only prescribe HRT.

Just got back from my Doctor today, he was pleased with my Testosterone count at 35 and again warned me of mussel loss, told me to workout both upper and lower body, when I asked him about osteoporosis, he said take calcium and we will check it in a couple of years. So I guess I am with Charlie on this, I just don’t think enough testing has been done to make a blanket statement. Its not like there’s a large test group. I think the jury is still out on this one.



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SplitDick (imported) wrote: Sat May 11, 2002 1:14 pm I am glad to see some real life information on the bone loss issue. I previously posted on the seriousness of this, but got the impression that most eunuch-wannabes considered it a mild risk. It is actually very serious!

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nd several others have also posted on the topic of osteoporosis during the last couple of years, and I think you do many in the EA an injustice. Of course, from my perspective, I see three catagories of eunuchs.

The first are those who are eunuchs, but not by choice. And if I remember correctly, IEunuch is one of these. They have no choice about the dangers of osteoporosis. And IEunuch has the additional disadvantage of being cared for by the Canadian Health System, British Columbia brance (if I remember correctly).

The second are the elective eunuchs, such as myself, who got castrated for various reasons BUT are well aware of the potential disadvantages, which includes osteoporosis. We are aware of the risk, but do not live in fear and terror of this risk. We exercise caution as well as our bones, take our calcium, and work with our physicians.

The third group, now, is another story. Those who get castrated for the sake of being castrated without serious consideration of the long term consequences. Those who wanted to be castrated by a woman, or as part of a scene, or for various other reasons. However, these eunuchs are unlikely to hang around the EA for long. After all, once their castration fetish is taken care of, few probably see a reason to remain activein the EA.

As usual, these are just my opinions, and I am quite sure that Pearly (my cat) would be among the very first to disagree with them.