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improvac,the pig castrating vacine,the solution?

Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:37 am
by goldwind (imported)
hello,i just heard of about a vacine called improvac made by the lab pfizer that stop testosterone like castration.

it has been made for pigs to avoid real castration but the site says it can be effective on human at any ages.

and can be prety long therm.(1month minimum some test says 22month)

im realy interested by this and i would like some infos about it.

http://www.improvac.com/sites/improvac/ ... s/faq.aspx

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_o ... a00b45f02f

http://www.bestpetpharmacy.co.uk/detail ... p?id=70112

edit:sry it look like i posted the threat in the wrong area...

please can the admins move the subject to Eunuch Central?

thx.

Re: improvac,the pig castrating vacine,the solution?

Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 10:10 am
by twaddler (imported)
The FAQ on that Improvac site is fun. :)

'What is boar taint?' lol XD

Re: improvac,the pig castrating vacine,the solution?

Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:18 pm
by bobbie (imported)
goldwind (imported) wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:37 am hello,i just heard of about a vacine called improvac made by the lab pfizer that stop testosterone like castration.

it has been made for pigs to avoid real castration but the site says it can be effective on human at any ages.

and can be prety long therm.(1month minimum some test says 22month)

im realy interested by this and i would like some infos about it.

http://www.improvac.com/sites/improvac/ ... s/faq.aspx

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_o ... a00b45f02f

http://www.bestpetpharmacy.co.uk/detail ... p?id=70112

From the site.

http://www.bestpetpharmacy.co.uk/detail ... p?id=70112

#10 I am an overseas Vet can you sell to me?

We can supply to a registered vet outside of the UK in most cases. However, we will require some proof of your professional qualifications and credentials and you must ensure that you have appropriate permission to import the medicine into your country.

This not something one should try unless they are sure of being castrated. Looks like just on shot could be enough for some major damage that is not reversible. Chemical castration should be done first.

This drug is not approved for use in United States.

Re: improvac,the pig castrating vacine,the solution?

Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:59 pm
by goldwind (imported)
goldwind (imported) wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:37 am hello,i just heard of about a vacine called improvac made by the lab pfizer that stop testosterone like castration.

it has been made for pigs to avoid real castration but the site says it can be effective on human at any ages.

and can be prety long therm.(1month minimum some test says 22month)

im realy interested by this and i would like some infos about it.

http://www.improvac.com/sites/improvac/ ... s/faq.aspx

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_o ... a00b45f02f

http://www.bestpetpharmacy.co.uk/detail ... p?id=70112

From the site.

http://www.bestpet
bobbie (imported) wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:18 pm pharmacy.co.uk/detailed_product.asp?id=70112

#10 I am an overseas Vet can you sell to me?

We can supply to a registered vet outside of the UK in most cases. However, we will require some proof of your professional qualifications and credentials and you must ensure that you have appropriate permission to import the medicine into your country.

This not something one should try unless they are sure of being castrated. Looks like just on shot could be enough for some major damage that is not reversible. Chemical castration should be done fir
st.

This drug is not approved for use in United States.

no in fact it need 2 shots(1st shot does nothing,1month later 2nd shot castrate),it has been aprooved in europe and new zeland (where it got created)

and yea it look like it is something without return...

would like to try but yea we need a real vet.

im french and i can have it but im not a vet and i don't know one who can help.

edit:was browsing the net and i saw something about this vaccine

in france the improvac is used to castrate horses when they can't do surgical castration (testes inside the body for example) so yea it is realy powerfull and seems to work on anything...

good thing,it is painless (some heat like you got the flu) and prety easy (it is like any vaccine,they do in on pigs neck but some vet says it work nicely in the butt or in the stomack skin)

only 2ml is needed on eatch dose (sometime 4ml for older animal or horses).

Re: improvac,the pig castrating vacine,the solution?

Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 9:19 pm
by bobbie (imported)

goldwind (imported) wrote: Sat Jan 02, 2010 1:59 pm no in fact it need 2 shots(1st shot does nothing,1month later 2nd shot castrate),it has been aprooved in europe and new zeland (where it got created)

and yea it look like it is something without return...

would like to try but yea we need a real vet.

im french and i can have it but im not a vet and i don't know one who can help.

edit:was browsing the net and i saw something about this vaccine

in france the improvac is used to castrate horses when they can't do surgical castration (testes inside the body for example) so yea it is realy powerfull and seems to work on anything...

good thing,it is painless (some heat like you got the flu) and prety easy (it is like any vaccine,they do in on pigs neck but some vet says it work nicely in the butt or in the stomack skin)

only 2ml is needed on eatch dose (sometime 4ml for older animal or horses).

It may say they need 2 shots. But do not think they have any long term studies on single shot. The goal was to cause castration effects. So going for a second shot would be in order.

Would not want to take a chance on the need for 2 shot to work. Taking the first should considered the final shot. No returns. No second thoughts. The dose and effects on human could be different then animals. That has been found in many cases.

Re: improvac,the pig castrating vacine,the solution?

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:45 pm
by SplitDik (imported)
There have actually been an number of drugs developed for this -- it is called immunocastration, and basically causes your body to get inoculated against the cells that create testosterone.

It is only used for veterinary purposes right now, mostly in Australia and New Zealand.

Almost worth signing up to work on a farm down under ...

Re: improvac,the pig castrating vacine,the solution?

Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:33 pm
by sailorboy (imported)
Hey, let's get our passports and seek a farm job in Australia where the work should produce "interesting results in human males!!

Re: improvac,the pig castrating vacine,the solution?

Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:37 am
by goldwind (imported)
it is avaliable in europe since january 2009

so i think the best way is to find a trusted vet where we can buy some doses.

Re: improvac,the pig castrating vacine,the solution?

Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:38 pm
by JesusA (imported)
A news article from today about the product:

Fears over use of chemicals to castrate pigs

Food standards agency rejects Improvac drug, fearing public outcry in wake of tainted pork scandal in Ireland

Juliette Jowit

The Observer

Sunday 24 January 2010

In much of Europe pigs are physically castrated, but, controversially, in the UK a drug has been legalised to chemically castrate them. Photograph: David Levene

Meat from pigs that have been "chemically castrated" could soon be on sale in Britain, with no label to warn shoppers that it contains a controversial drug.

An injection to prevent puberty in male pigs was licensed for use in Britain and most of Europe last year, and has gone on sale to farmers who produce pork.

Pharmaceutical giant Pfizer developed the drug, Improvac, to allow farmers to grow pigs bigger before slaughter but without them releasing the hormones that cause boar taint, a taste many consumers dislike. In much of Europe, young males are physically castrated, but in the UK the practice is rarely carried out.

Improvac has so far been rejected by the Assured Food Standards (AFS) agency, which licenses its Red Tractor symbol to 90% of British pig producers. But it could be used by the remaining farmers, and by overseas producers who account for one third of pork eaten in the UK. Pfizer said it was currently "being used by a small number of pig farmers in the UK". Meat produced using the drug does not have to be labelled as such.

Pfizer says the treatment was approved only after "rigorous" testing to ensure it could not affect consumers through the pig meat or the environment. The RSPCA said farmers in its Freedom Foods scheme could use Improvac from later this month if they convinced managers that it would help animal welfare, for example by reducing aggression between boars.

But the AFS, the country's biggest farm certification scheme, has rejected it, fearing a public backlash. David Clarke, AFS chief executive, said: "We're not saying we have concerns technically [but] we'd want more market intelligence before making a change."

Public sensitivity to chemical castration is likely to be high after the 2008 scandal in Ireland, when pork products were contaminated by PCBs – dangerous, man-made chemicals. Animal feed was blamed.

Tim Waygood, whose farm in *Stevenage, Hertfordshire, advertises "high-welfare, ecological" food, said he objected to pigs being injected so their "balls shrivel up", and wanted more reassurance about safety for consumers and the wider environment.

Consumers should be better informed about such changes to their food, added Waygood. "[Farmers] are going to make an extra pound a pig because they are going to castrate their pigs chemically. It would be nice to compete against that when the consumers are informed."

There are also concerns about safety for farm workers who might accidentally inject themselves, and will have to handle bigger animals, said the British Veterinary Association.

Improvac, which has been used in Australia for a decade and is now approved in 53 countries, is marketed as a "vaccine… for the reduction of boar taint" and an alternative to physical castration of pigs. It works by injecting pigs twice with a synthetic product that causes the testes to shrink. The effect is said to be temporary, but the boars are slaughtered four to six weeks later, before it wears off.

Pfizer said it disagreed with the description "chemical castration", but critics argue that – as with use of the term for human sex offenders – the effect is the same. A spokesman said: "The European commission's licensing authorities, including a panel of international scientific experts, assessed Improvac's environmental safety, consumer safety and the product's safety and efficacy when used in pigs. The safety assessment of Improvac was every bit as rigorous as a human medicine assessment."

Barney Kay, general manager of the UK's National Pig Association, said the association wanted more research into consumer attitudes, but noted that farmers in a low-margin business could not afford to ignore the vaccine.

Peter Melchett, policy director of the Soil Association organic movement, said that its primary concern was the impact on the animals. "It's better than physical castration without anaesthetic, but it's still a gross interference with the animal's natural development," he said.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2 ... r-improvac

Re: improvac,the pig castrating vacine,the solution?

Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:37 pm
by eunuch2001 (imported)
Wish I'd had some of this stuff 10 years ago; it would have saved me a lot of hassle.