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The Other Side of a Male Fantasy
Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:07 pm
by JoaoGenerico (imported)
Reading the Story Archives, I always have the impression that most of the stories were written primarily for the pleasure of people who have the fantasy of being castrated / penectomized. This is easy for me to understand, as I also share those fantasies.
However, a few stories are clearly written with the mind set of the "cutter". The overwhelming majority of this overwhelming minority give the impression to be there to fulfill a female fantasy of dominance / role reversal / vengeance / etc.
So, the minority of the minority are stories where the writer seems to be addressing the fantasy of a male who enjoys cutting other males.
I am not a literary critic, so I don't claim that my analysis of the authors' motivations in the archives is accurate. But I am curious to know if your perception is the same as mine.
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I am particularly curious about stories written for the pleasure of male cutters, because they are the mirror of my own fantasies.
In particular, I wonder why there are so few such stories ? Is it more difficult to get oneself at ease with fantasizing about inflicting serious injuries than suffering them ? Or is this an inherently rare kink ?
Or is there some negative correlation between being sadistic male and being interested in writing ?
And for straight cutters, is the inherent homoeroticism of the fantasy a source of anxiety?
Re: The Other Side of a Male Fantasy
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:50 am
by de_fens_us (imported)
Very interesting post with great questions.
It will be interesting to follow the input and replies from others.
Re: The Other Side of a Male Fantasy
Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:21 am
by bobbie (imported)
JoaoGenerico (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:07 pm
Reading the Story Archives, I always have the impression that most of the stories were written primarily for the pleasure of people who have the fantasy of being castrated / penectomized. This is easy for me to understand, as I also share those fantasies.
However, a few stories are clearly written with the mind set of the "cutter". The overwhelming majority of this overwhelming minority give the impression to be there to fulfill a female fantasy of dominance / role reversal / vengeance / etc.
So, the minority of the minority are stories where the writer seems to be addressing the fantasy of a male who enjoys cutting other males.
I am not a literary critic, so I don't claim that my analysis of the authors' motivations in the archives is accurate. But I am curious to know if your perception is the same as mine.
* * *
I am particularly curious about stories written for the pleasure of male cutters, because they are the mirror of my own fantasies.
In particular, I wonder why there are so few such stories ? Is it more difficult to get oneself at ease with fantasizing about inflicting serious injuries than suffering them ? Or is this an inherently rare kink ?
Or is there some negative correlation between being sadistic male and being interested in writing ?
And for straight cutters, is the inherent homoeroticism of the fantasy a source of anxiety?
The ratio of the stories written is a direct relationship to the number of people writing them. If a few are written is because few are interested in that subject. Do not think it is any harder to write one story over another.
Re: The Other Side of a Male Fantasy
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:30 am
by JoaoGenerico (imported)
bobbie (imported) wrote: Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:21 am
The ratio of the stories written is a direct relationship to the number of people writing them. If a few are written is because few are interested in that subject. Do not think it is any harder to write one story over another.
Exactly, which motivates my original questions: why so many more people seem to be interested on the bottom than the top role when it comes to castration / penectomy fantasy ? Or if this is not the case, why are the bottoms writing more ? Etc. etc.
Re: The Other Side of a Male Fantasy
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:59 am
by nullorchis (imported)
Wanting to castrate another male, in real life, seems to me to occur mainly in male-female relationship where the male has done some injustice to the female and in a fit of rage she takes a knife to some, or all, of the males genitals. Thus it is an event that occurs in a fit of rage fueled by disgust or hate.
In war sometimes males castrate males, after they kill the opponent, but again this seems to be an extension of hate and rage and connected with some cultural differences.
I wish I was a doctor so that I could assist others in safely achieving their castration goal. But I am not. I feel no interest, craving, or desire in castrating someone else to be mean or hurtful. I would only want to be helpful, kind and caring.
I get the feeling that in male to male rage the primary interest is to kill the opponent with there being little to no interest in genital mutilation.
Having a craving to castrate men may have as its foundation a hatred of all men for some reason(s). Many women hate all men and of that group there is a strong fantasy and craving to castrate men. Not anyone in particular because of an injustice done by that person; just any male will do for them regardless of what an injustice that act will be. Fortunately most everyone takes this to the fantasy level, acts it out, obtains sexual relief from the process, and it proceeds no further.
Re: The Other Side of a Male Fantasy
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:17 am
by kristoff
nullorchis (imported) wrote: Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:59 am
Wanting to castrate another male, in real life, seems to me to occur mainly in male-female relationship where the male has done some injustice to the female and in a fit of rage she takes a knife to some, or all, of the males genitals. Thus it is an event that occurs in a fit of rage fueled by disgust or hate.
In war sometimes males castrate males, after they kill the opponent, but again this seems to be an extension of hate and rage and connected with some cultural differences.
I wish I was a doctor so that I could assist others in safely achieving their castration goal. But I am not. I feel no interest, craving, or desire in castrating someone else to be mean or hurtful. I would only want to be helpful, kind and caring.
I get the feeling that in male to male rage the primary interest is to kill the opponent with there being little to no interest in genital mutilation.
Having a craving to castrate men may have as its foundation a hatred of all men for some reason(s). Many women hate all men and of that group there is a strong fantasy and craving to castrate men. Not anyone in particular because of an injustice done by that person; just any male will do for them regardless of what an injustice that act will be. Fortunately most everyone takes this to the fantasy level, acts it out, obtains sexual relief from the process, and it proceeds no further.
Me thinks you are FAR too broad with your generalities. It is not at all infrequent for one man to assault the testicles of another. In a fight, it is a very highly vulnerable location, and can take an opponent down in a hurry. I remember many fights as a kid (I LOVED to fight - scrapping, boxing, wrestling, but especially scrapping, etc), the objective was to get the nuts.
Watch the bullies at school - they go for the nuts, boot or fist.
Relative to members here, the masochists in the SM genre, I suspect, tend to write more because usually they are the ones who have to exercise most of the imagination / fantasy in their situation. I've yet to meet a very imaginative dom / top (thump thump, fuck, fuck, go to sleep)
Re: The Other Side of a Male Fantasy
Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 1:21 pm
by A-1 (imported)
JoaoGenerico (imported) wrote: Thu Dec 24, 2009 2:30 am
Exactly, which motivates my original questions: why so many more people seem to be interested on the bottom than the top role when it comes to castration / penectomy fantasy ? Or if this is not the case, why are the bottoms writing more ? Etc. etc.
That's simple.
In society there much sympathy toward being "a victim". Being a sadist who fantasizes about hurting people, especially in a sexual manner, is HIGHLY condemned by society. Therefore, the sadist with the fantasy of mutilating genitilia, male or female, is repressed to a much larger degree in individuals who possess these urges. A degree of Munchausen (or reverse) Syndrome is probably the best-fit psychological description of what goes on here.
However, Munchausen by proxy can exist in individuals who do not fantasize about personally being hurt, but who DO fantasize about watching it happen to others. This is the reason why public executions, floggings and so forth draw crowds if it is possible to watch. The base fantasy involves being the "rescuer" of a victim subjected to the activity. It is a type of Hero complex, repressed of course.
I suspect that the numbers of stories portraying a "victim" (or masochist) would outnumber the stories portraying a "sexual sadist" because this is the case regardless of the reaction of society.
There is a certain tendency in victims (or masochists) to eventually become sadists unless they learn to deal with their misfortune and/or masochistic urges. It is a displaced sense of retrobution that causes this to happen. This is the mechanism behind victims becoming abusers, and it is not that uncommon in individuals who do not reconcile or rationalize their own abuse/victimization.
So, in the story archives one may expect to find many stories written from the perspective of the victim and much less stories from the standpoint of the sexual sadist.
Re: The Other Side of a Male Fantasy
Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:51 pm
by Bagoas (imported)
I have written about 17 stories from the viewpoint of the castrator. Some of them are told in the third person, but still from the castrator's viewpoint. Most of my stories are told from the viewpoint of an external impartial observer who is not involved in the story. I find that type of story easiest to write.
This is a list of my stories either told in the first person by the castrator or told in the third person from a viewpoint sympathetic to the castrator(s).
Coach Victor's Advice
Did I do the Right Thing ?
The Eunuch Returns
The Gay-Basher Bashed
Guy Winslow and his Modern Garage
Hate Potions
How Jody Got to be the Man of the House
Mass Castrations at the Smithsfield Correctional Institute
Momma Fixes Willy
Potion Abuse
Potion Abuse Revisited
Revenge in the Boathouse
The Revenge of the Ninja Altar Boys
Subduing Louis
That Nice Young Doctor
The Unhorsing of Freiherr Günther von Drachenshorst
The Wasted Wedding
Re: The Other Side of a Male Fantasy
Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:17 pm
by nutme248 (imported)
JoaoGenerico (imported) wrote: Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:07 pm
Reading the Story Archives, I always have the impression that most of the stories were written primarily for the pleasure of people who have the fantasy of being castrated / penectomized. This is easy for me to understand, as I also share those fantasies.
However, a few stories are clearly written with the mind set of the "cutter". The overwhelming majority of this overwhelming minority give the impression to be there to fulfill a female fantasy of dominance / role reversal / vengeance / etc.
So, the minority of the minority are stories where the writer seems to be addressing the fantasy of a male who enjoys cutting other males.
I am not a literary critic, so I don't claim that my analysis of the authors' motivations in the archives is accurate. But I am curious to know if your perception is the same as mine.
* * *
I am particularly curious about stories written for the pleasure of male cutters, because they are the mirror of my own fantasies.
In particular, I wonder why there are so few such stories ? Is it more difficult to get oneself at ease with fantasizing about inflicting serious injuries than suffering them ? Or is this an inherently rare kink ?
Or is there some negative correlation between being sadistic male and being interested in writing ?
And for straight cutters, is the inherent homoeroticism of the fantasy a source of anxiety?
Joao,
You bring up a good set of points that are food for thought. My humble opinion is that the large majority of the stories are of a violent/vengeful/femdom nature. I would really like to see more stories where a man is helped by a sympathetic doctor to lose his balls.
There is way too much violence in this world as is and I'd like to see that change.
Thank you

Re: The Other Side of a Male Fantasy
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 2:28 pm
by IbPervert (imported)
Joao,
nutme248 (imported) wrote: Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:17 pm
I would really like to see more stories where a man is helped by a sympathetic doctor to lose his balls.
There is way too much violence in this world as is and I'd like to see that change.
Thank you
My advice to you nutme is to write the type of stories you would like to read then share with the group.
IbPervert