A book about the Sistine Chapel eunuchs

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A book about the Sistine Chapel eunuchs

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CASTRATION: For the Pleasure of The Pope

The Guardian, London, August 14, 2001

Revelations that the Vatican encouraged the castration of choir boys in the name of art for hundreds of years have prompted calls for a papal apology. Human rights groups, historians and Italian commentators said the Pope, a singer himself, should ask forgiveness for his predecessors' role in the mutilation of castrati singers.

New research suggests that the employment of castrati was tolerated by the Vatican as late as 1959, long after other states had banned it as barbaric.

From the 16th century onwards generations of Italian boys were castrated in the hope that their voices, prevented from breaking, would combine a child's high register with the vocal power of a man.

Their ability to sing beyond normal human limits enraptured opera-goers, emperors and popes, who commissioned a choir of castrati to perform in the Sistine chapel.

An edict by St Paul prevented women singing in church.

Successful castrati such as Farinelli - the subject of Gerrard Corbiau's 1994 film - became Europe-wide superstars, feted by composers such as Handel, but most failed to make the grade and were cast aside, devastated and useless even as circus freaks.

According to Angels Against their Will, a new book by the German historian Hubert Ortkemper, the castrato Alessandro Moreschi performed in the Sistine chapel until 1913. Other historians suspect that Domenico Mancini, another private pontifical singer who performed from 1939 to 1959, was a castrato, too.

Officially the Vatican always condemned the practice, which is thought to have started around 1500, and punished castrators with excommunication. In 1902 it issued a decree banning castrati from the Sistine chapel. But such was the beauty and power of their singing that successive popes sponsored the phenomenon by employing them on the pretext that they were accidentally castrated, for example by falling from a horse or by an animal bite.

Italy's leading newspaper, Corriere della Sera, said the Pope, whose CD recordings have sold millions, should follow up his admission of church wrongs against Jews, Muslims and scientists by expressing sorrow for the castrati.

"Despite the willingness to address just about any issue, the current pope has yet to confront an unresolved problem of musical history. Why doesn't he suggest prayers and remorse for the church's past connivance with the practice of castrating males?" Human rights activists and academics endorsed the call. Amnesty International said the value of recognising past wrongs in an apology should not be underestimated.

Many of those afflicted by ongoing human rights abuses - including genital mutilations of women and rape as torture - desperately desire official recognition of the terrible wrongs done to them. An apology from those involved may be the hardest thing of all to achieve, and the most valued." Nicholas Davidson, an Oxford University expert on papal history, said: "If the Pope was going to be consistent, and if there was evidence that church officials operated in an improper way, then an apology should be made."

The promise of a lucrative career persuaded many poor Italian parents to castrate sons with musical talent, despite the fact that the operation often produced gigantism and life-endangering obesity.

No records were kept, but historians believe many operations to remove testicles - achieved by slitting the groin and severing the spermatic chord - were botched, leaving boys in agony and in danger of death by infection. The lucky ones survived and were good enough for years of intensive training and cossetting at musical academies.

Pope Sisto V, aware that the public craved the "voice of angels", sanctioned their presence in the Vatican by a papal bull in 1589. Audiences fainted and wept during performances and groupies wore medallions of their favourites, but in the 18th century the practice was gradually acknowledged to be grotesque.
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Andrew (imported) wrote: Tue May 07, 2002 8:11 pm CASTRATION: For the Pleasure of The Pope

The Guardian, London, August 14, 2001

Revelations that the Vatican encouraged the castration of choir boys in the name of art for hundreds of years have prompted calls for a papal apology. Human rights groups, historians and Italian commentators said the Pope, a singer himself, should ask forgiveness for his predecessors' role in the mutilation of castrati singers.

New research suggests that the employment of castrati was tolerated by the Vatican as late as 1959, long after other states had banned it as barbaric.

From the 16th century onwards generations of Italian boys were castrated in the hope that their voices, prevented from breaking, would combine a child's high register with the vocal power of a man.

Their ability to sing beyond normal human limits enraptured opera-goers, emperors and popes, who commissioned a choir of castrati to perform in the Sistine chapel.

An edict by St Paul prevented women singing in church.

Successful castrati such as Farinelli - the subject of Gerrard Corbiau's 1994 film - became Europe-wide superstars, feted by composers such as Handel, but most failed to make the grade and were cast aside, devastated and useless even as circus freaks.

According to Angels Against their Will, a new book by the German historian Hubert Ortkemper, the castrato Alessandro Moreschi performed in the Sistine chapel until 1913. Other historians suspect that Domenico Mancini, another private pontifical singer who performed from 1939 to 1959, was a castrato, too.

Officially the Vatican always condemned the practice, which is thought to have started around 1500, and punished castrators with excommunication. In 1902 it issued a decree banning castrati from the Sistine chapel. But such was the beauty and power of their singing that successive popes sponsored the phenomenon by employing them on the pretext that they were accidentally castrated, for example by falling from a horse or by an animal bite.

Italy's leading newspaper, Corriere della Sera, said the Pope, whose CD recordings have sold millions, should follow up his admission of church wrongs against Jews, Muslims and scientists by expressing sorrow for the castrati.

"Despite the willingness to address just about any issue, the current pope has yet to confront an unresolved problem of musical history. Why doesn't he suggest prayers and remorse for the church's past connivance with the practice of castrating males?" Human rights activists and academics endorsed the call. Amnesty International said the value of recognising past wrongs in an apology should not be underestimated.

Many of those afflicted by ongoing human rights abuses - including genital mutilations of women and rape as torture - desperately desire official recognition of the terrible wrongs done to them. An apology from those involved may be the hardest thing of all to achieve, and the most valued." Nicholas Davidson, an Oxford University expert on papal history, said: "If the Pope was going to be consistent, and if there was evidence that church officials operated in an improper way, then an apology should be made."

The promise of a lucrative career persuaded many poor Italian parents to castrate sons with musical talent, despite the fact that the operation often produced gigantism and life-endangering obesity.

No records were kept, but historians believe many operations to remove testicles - achieved by slitting the groin and severing the spermatic chord - were botched, leaving boys in agony and in danger of death by infection. The lucky ones survived and were good enough for years of intensive training and cossetting at musical academies.

Pope Sisto V, aware that the public craved the "voice of angels", sanctioned their presence in the Vatican by a papal bull in 1589. Audiences fainted and wept during performances and groupies wore medallions of their favourites, but in the 18th century the practice was gradually acknowledged to be grotesque.
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Excellent find of a site, Andrew! I posted the text here because it was so tiny on their site.

I found the part about castrati in 1959 rather disturbing, though. I suppose, all fantasy and story lines aside, that it IS possible.
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Paolo wrote: Wed May 08, 2002 5:31 am I found the part about castrati in 1959 rather

> disturbing, though. I suppose, all fantasy and story

> lines aside, that it IS possible.

I wonder what percentage of pre-pubescent boys are castrated these days? There's got to be some of them, be it congenital absence of testes, an accident, a crazy guy chopping them off, etc.

Someone once posted on this board before that there was a crazy guy who ran around on the street taking pot shots at houses with a gun. One bullet struck a boy inside a house and destroyed his testicles. (The poster knew the boy's father. However, the father said that he would seek hormone replacement for the boy... I'm guessing hormone replacement is what happens in most of these cases.)
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With the rebirth of interest of countertenors in the past few years, there have been persistent rumors that some of them are actually castrati. The most persistent rumors have concerned the Brazilian countertenor Paolo Abel do Nascimento. While "officially" he suffered from hypogonadism and had no hormone replacement therapy, there were plenty of rumors otherwise. His family also refused to allow an autopsy after his premature death. He can be seen playing a castrato in the film "Dangerous Liasons" and there are a few recordings of him available, best being a disc of Scarlatti available from Opal.

There have recently been some fairly believable rumors also about Oleg Riabets, a wonderful countertenor from the Ukraine, an area where the Skoptsy were prominent well into the last century (and possibly present even today). He is, however, more likely to suffer from hypogonadism. As far as I know, there is only one CD of his voice available (Olympia OCD 583).

Untreated hypogonadism could produce the identical vocal results as prepubertal castration such as was practiced in Italy until 1878. Both of these countertenors have the range of a castrato and the vocal dexterity which comes of years of training - more than a boy soprano has years for. They also both have the physical appearance of a prepubertal eunuch.
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The nudes (ignudi) on the 1508-1512 sistine chaple are not castrated at all they are part of Michangelo's deep appreciation for the male body. He after all was by all accounts a devout homosexual cathlolic.
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Hi Strange-999,

Welcome to the Zoo. I think that you might have mis-understood the subject of this thread. It was not about the images on the ceiling, but the choirboys who used to sing under it.

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I have a double LP, with a vast amount of Italian texts on the sleeves; on the recording itself is featured the pupil of Moreschi, Domenico Mancini; he gives an interview (as an old man) about how he was rejected by Mgr Perosi, director of the Sistine at the time: actually, he was a falsettist. Perosi thought he was a castrato; he didn't like them at all.

Mancini became a double-bass player, and his interview is conducted in a deep baritone voice with what I am told is a Roman accent. There is also on this record an example of him singing the Bach/Gounod "Ave Maria", rather thinly, but clearly. This is followed by Moreschi himself singing the same item; the difference is marked.

I have been told that an early video tape exists of this interview, etc., and I hope to acquire it, if at all possible.

Mancini is definitely identified as a non-castrato on this record sleeve; he features in the booklet I wrote for the Opal CD: The Last Castrato, but I did not give his name then; there was a reason for that.

Please contact me at : [email protected] if you would like furher information; my web site is: http://www.cix.co.uk/~velluti, (http://www.cix.co.uk/%7Evelluti,) soon to be updated yet again.

Regards; marie_therese here; this is my name, but I am knownas Elsa/
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JesusA (imported) wrote: Thu May 09, 2002 1:09 pm Untreated hypogonadism could produce the identical vocal results as prepubertal castration such as was practiced in Italy until 1878. Both of these countertenors have the range of a castrato and the vocal dexterity which comes of years of training - more than a boy soprano has years for. They also both have the physical appearance of a prepubertal eunuch.

Interesting that you chose to use the word "untreated", implying sickness. In such cases the natural body is actually being modified to conform to our social expectations: our demand that the world be divided up between "normal" men and women.

Lately the conservatives are proposing a constitutional amendment to specify that marriage be only between a "man and a woman." Their ideas can only make sense if every person who doesn't fit clearly into one or the other category be "treated."

The logical conclusion is that being-- or desiring to be-- an "untreated" eunuch will eventually have to be criminalized.
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Mike good to see you back. I’ve always enjoyed your comments. My use of “treatment” is from the meaning of to subject to some process, action, or change. Treatment certainly does not always imply “improvement,” only “change.”

Adults (physicians, parents, grandparents) might thing that giving androgens to a hypogonadal boy results in “improvement,” but I certainly think that the boy would need to be involved in any decision. Though peer pressure would probably argue for as much androgen as his doctor would allow in most (but certanly not all) cases.
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