This paper is long, but very interesting:

http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cg ... 7/1/53.pdf

But there is a very serious inconsistency, the voice does not go up or down in response to hormone levels or castration. Once the vocal chords lengthen during puberty the male voice stays deep.

Very interesting read.... (Struggling through the page 8 of 18)...

Milkman (imported) wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:04 pm But there is a very serious inconsistency, the voice does not go up or down in response to hormone levels or castration. Once the vocal chords lengthen during puberty the male voice stays deep.

Voice pitch can be shifted up, but not much. Not the "several octaves" mentioned.

I agree. I have personally found there are times when my voice is higher in pitch than normal. As yet I haven't bothered to work out how much of a pitch alteration takes place, but I would guess half an octave or more. When in conversation with someone I sometimes find myself trying to clear my throat in an effort to try and bring my voice down to my more normal register. This is always to no avail incidentally. The change of pitch for me lasts only a couple of days at a time but of late has been taking place once a week or more. It is curious indeed! Does anyone else (with low / very low T levels) experience this I wonder?

splitz

Splitz (imported) wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:17 pm I agree. I have personally found there are times when my voice is higher in pitch than normal. As yet I haven't bothered to work out how much of a pitch alteration takes place, but I would guess half an octave or more. When in conversation with someone I sometimes find myself trying to clear my throat in an effort to try and bring my voice down to my more normal register. This is always to no avail incidentally. The change of pitch for me lasts only a couple of days at a time but of late has been taking place once a week or more. It is curious indeed! Does anyone else (with low / very low T levels) experience this I wonder?

splitz

Think most men talk at a lower octave that is not at their highest. Think about the singers. They can sing at far higher voice then what they talk. In the say way your voice can be lower then your normal level.

Lack of testosterone in later life will have no effect on a male. How ever giving testosterone to a female will have an effect lowering the voice.

I knew a person once who claimed several personalities of different sexes. When the personalities switched, the pitch of the voice switched appropriately, along with voice rhythms characteristic of the sex. His female persona had a much more passable voice than I, as a trans, have been able to achieve with years of practice.

So I think, if the person in the article believed he was changing, that belief would change the pitch of his voice, completely apart from any change in hormones.

Transward

Great read, this man/woman had a serious problem, I'm not going to say that he was mental, he definitely had a desire to remove his genitals and did. Instead of carrying out the wishes of this man, he had to resort to self surgery. I understand at least in part why, the medical and mental health community has established guidelines as to what's normal behavior and what's not. In this case, the man/woman was not considered normal and displayed abnormal schizophrenic signs or behavior. I won't agree or disagree, we all have certain tendencies that might be deemed abnormal, but if you know that someone might carry out self surgery on himself, then why not do the surgery? Especially if the man is considered to have mental problems? Why not be proactive? This man might have died, bleeding to death, had he not been smart enough to take the necessary precautions. The other issue is lawsuits. If a urologist castrates a man or does a penectomy, there's a chance that they could lose their license or worse.

As for myself I can talk in two very different voices and have very often used this technique for unwanted people on the telephone. As for yelling, I am simply just never at all able to yell in a regular man's deep voice and almost nobody has ever heard me yell for this reason. So I guess this is simply just one more reason to be wondering about which gender am I actually pretending to be.

This man/woman castrated himself and also removed his penis, but the urologist finished the job: The urologist took the patient to the operating room and completed the amputation by removing the corpora cavernosa and transplanting the corpus spongiosum and urethra to the perineal position, as one might do in a radical amputation of the penis.

In other words, the stump of the penis that remained inside, was further dissected. The urologist removed what remained of the corpora cavernosa, the main cavities that fill with blood, giving men erections, but the corpus spongiosum, which surrounds the urethra was moved down to the perineal position. The perineal is that area between the scrotum and the anus. This was necessary and is always necessary after a penectomy when the penis cannot be reattached. That's because you cannot void (pee) from the stump very well, it splatters a lot. Some men who have penectomized themselves and have successfully avoided this surgery, will tell you that it's messy to urinate. They've got to physically hold down the stump when using a toilet and that means getting their hands wet. Even when using urinals, the penetomized man must undue his pants and push his stump as far into the urinal as possible to avoid messes. So if or when you cut off your penis, this is what the urologist will do to finish the job and it'll actually make voiding easier. Sit and pee, wee!

Macumbakaloo (imported) wrote: Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:25 pm This paper is long, but very interesting:

http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/cg ... 7/1/53.pdf

In a way this paper illustrates incompetence/rigid thinking of doctors. They should have sent this person to psychiatrist/psychologist specializing in GID (i.e. trannsexuals) for evaluation. Instead of that they tried hard to prove their own ideas, which did not bring anything good to the person in question.

Not only this - they went that far as to analyze what tablets were embedded in patients clothes (which appeared vitamins). All this was done in attempt to prove their ideas that patient was shizophrenic. The main factor here being that patient castrated themselves, and so it was attributed to the mental dissorder. They did not try to check that patient might have been desperate trannsexual (patient tried to get help, but nobody was helping, nobody sent him to the GID clinic), or other GID type (i.e. still transgendered).

What if patient told the truth?

Most of ordinary psychiatrists have no competence in dealing with transsexuals.