This didn't really fit in surgical castration, not did it fit in chemical castration. So, I put it here in this EA Board. A rather long posting, but it is kind of complicated.

This creation is not a burdizzo. It is more like a clamp, or a mini-vice.

Your ideas may help this to become a reality.

The basic concept design is this:

Two flat rails with rounded edges are applied over the base of the scrotum, near the base of the penis, with the scrotum stretched to the left and the right of the penis.

The top rail is tapered in such a way that it is thicker in the middle than on the edges.

Both rails are clamped not too firmly together with two clamps, one on the left middle of the scrotum area and one on the right middle area of the scrotum. The modest clamping permits blood to continue to flow to the scrotum.

The outer edges of the top and bottom rails are designed with rounded depressions in them. This is to accommodate the thickness of the testicle cords.

The effect of this is that the testicle cords are now squeezed to the outer left and right edges of the scrotum and contained with the rounded depressions of the rails so that they don't move around.

A second clamp with rounded edges, one side flat, one side with a screw down clamp, is then applied to the testicle cord between the base of the scrotum and the first rails. The purpose of this clamp is to compress the testicle cord and create tourniquet pressure on one cord at a time.

It is important for the testicle itself to be extended downward as far as possible into the scrotum and below the first rails so only the testicle cord, and not the epididymus are within the grip of the first rails and the testicle cord clamp. Any compression on the epididymus can be dangerous and much more painful.

Even so, as the testicle cord clamp is tightened, an increase in pain will occur. Depending on ones tolerance for pain, level of intoxication, or other pain relieving medication, will determine just how much pressure one decides to apply to the testicle cord clamp.

The clamp should not be applied for more than 30 minutes at a time.

Repeated use will (at least from my experience with a different device* ) result in eventual less and less pain which will permit greater and greater pressure to be applied. Repeated use will deprive the testicle of fresh oxygen rich blood. Eventually atrophy should occur. Atrophy will reduce testosterone production. The goal is not to completely deprive the testicles of all blood for an extended period of time as this would result in a dead object within the scrotum that would develop gangrene - a situation to be avoided !

This is not a fast burdizzo castration. The spermatic cord itself is quite strong and it is unlikely that it will be damaged in such a clamp. If the cord clamp is not clamped down too hard or for too long the blood vessels themselves should not be permanently crushed. However if the clamp is compressed too much and/or for too long there could be the risk of causing a blood vessel to burst, which could lead to a hematoma (internal bleeding). Hematoma's can cure themselves, or can require surgical intervention. But overall, while this device may not be 100% safe, it would be safer, and less painful, than burdizzo.

Would you use such a device?

What would you do to improve its design?

*My trial device was a very large wide table vice. This compressed the scrotum and both testicle cords simultaneously. The main problem with this device is that all blood is constricted to the entire scrotum and trying to constrict both testicle cords at the same time was very painful. Under compression the pain seemed to subside after about five minutes or so and more pressure could be applied, which resulted in more pain, which subsided, and this would be repeated several times until the scrotum and balls were blue and cold, at which time the pressure on the vice was removed.

Less pressure on the scrotum, and less pain, and focusing pressure on one cord at a time would seem preferable. Repeated weekly use of this vice method for many months did eventually result in no pain when the vice was clamped down to its maximum, and permanently painless testes even when not in their vice grip. Tests proved that this (and/or perhaps another method I used which I won't go into right now) did lower my testosterone to "low normal", but didn't eliminate testosterone enough which is why I finally decided to use Siterone, which has worked well.

Why not just move cord by hand to one side and then clamp it with a small vise or c-clamp?

I recently bought a "Quick Grip 2inch clamp" and I may buy a 4 inch "Quick Grip" clamp.

I used it to reglue the outer ply of a a veneered door that I smashed up. It isn't spring loaded, so you close it by hand. It closes and closes tight and stays tight, as tight as you can squeeze it.

Perhaps this is what you are looking for.

But let me warn everyone. If it does work, your testicles might be history.

fhunter wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:47 pm Why not just move cord by hand to one side and then clamp it with a small vise or c-clamp?

It's very slick and slippery inside the scrotum and out of a built in natural defense the cords just won't stand still for using any kind of small clamp.

Pain will pretty much control how much pressure is applied. Everything in moderation. And disclaimer, of course, this kind of activity could cause hematoma or other complications and isn't recommended. But for anyone who wants castration real bad, and isn't worried about consequences, it seems a viable alternative to cutting which is almost always worse than bad.

fhunter wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:47 pm Why not just move cord by hand to one side and then clamp it with a small vise or c-clamp?

I have actually been pondering about this. But using hemostats.

nullorchis (imported) wrote: Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:42 pm It's very slick and slippery inside the scrotum and out of a built in natural defense the cords just won't stand still for using any kind of small clamp.

Pain will pretty much control how much pressure is applied. Everything in moderation.

I was able to catch the cord and hold it still long enough to hit it with hammer slightly (haven't tried to hit it stronger - it was very painful - one time was enough to set my mind of it, and understand that that was a bad idea).

I think that a clamp about 1-1,5 inch wide would be enough, but I may be wrong.

While it'sa workable idea, here something that worked for me. It was inexpensive and readily available:

Go to a home center and purchase two large spring-loaded clamps -- mine had a clamping surface of about 1 & 1/2" across. The handle and the clamping surface was covered in a fairly pliable plastic.

Fine the artery & spermatic cord to the right or left testicle. Clamp one and wait a few minutes. If you get a painful feelin in your lower stomach, you've clamped the spermatic cord. So then clamp the other one instead. (I actually just bothered to make sure both were clamped.)

I did the cords to both testes at the same time. My earliest ability to keep the clamps on was at thirty-five minutes. I built up tolerance to 45 minutes and then 55 minutes. I never tried to exceed 65 minutes.

Doing this twice a week (and later 3 times a week) led to less and less production of ejaculate when masturbating, and going from a white milky color to clear.

If/when you ever stop, eventually the white milky color will return, so it is possible to reverse any damage done. After a long enough time, production of ejaculate even returns to about normal. I've done this off and on for 7 years and I _have_ noticed a shrinkage of both testicles and a softening of them when squeezing them in my hands.

It's not a full castration method, but I've found it acceptable, and it meshes well with my glans-splitting project (interested? Read the blog.)

Good to hear all ideas. And good to hear from new poster, Houndstooth.

My question to Houndstooth is: Did this lead to any reduction in erections and libido. Maybe not as your evidence indicates you were still ejaculating. Best evidence that maybe something worthwhile was happening was shrinkage and softening of testes.

Yea, I've tried the hammer method and I tried the spring loaded clamp method. Both were too uncontrollable, thus I went to the vice method as I could slowly and controllably squeeze down. If it got too painful I would loosen the vice for a few moments, then squeeze down again. The main problem was that the vice cut off blood supply to entire package: scrotum and testicles and I didn't want to cut off blood supply to scrotum.

The whole concept is to not cause any crushing damage to any contents of the testicle cord, but to temporarily cut off blood supply to each teste, one at a time. Creation of a short term temporary blue ball has got to have a depleting effect on each teste without actually killing it. You don't want it to actually die and turn black (as in twisted testicle symdrome) as that would lead to gangrene and be a serious health hazard. The concept is to deprive the testicle of oxygen for short periods of time, over and over and over so that hopefully this will lead to reduction and maybe elimination of

nullorchis (imported) wrote: Mon Oct 05, 2009 4:18 pm testosterone production. The

full vice method has worked for me. Just trying to design some improvement to the method and looking for input from creative others out there in eunuch land (or eunuchwannabe land). Siterone worked well for me, but it would still be nice to not have to take a drug the rest of my life to attain the desired goal.

My reply disappeared in mid-post ($@#! laptop touchpad!). So this may double-post.

Thanks for the questions, nullochris. Instead of saying everything over again at length, the answers are: I don't get erections anymore & libido does disappear significantly, at least for me.

About once every 3 to 4 months I feel the want for an orgasm. When I've used my method for 2 to 3 times a week, four to six weeks without a break, my ejaculate is clear and about 1/4 teaspoon in volume. It takes about 30 minutes of massaging the shaft for ejaculation to occur. During this entire time the penis is flaccid. I can even orgasm in my preferred way, which is to just rub my fingers up and down across the glans and pressing in on the pubic area behind it.

If I discontinue my method for about a month and do nothing, when I orgasm I ejaculate maybe a 1/2 teaspoon to 3/4 teaspoon of fluid and it's milkier in color.

I can answer "yes" to both testes shrinkage & softening over the years. YMMV.

The only reason I've been doing this for so long and not had an orchie has been either available funds or time. Sometimes I've had plenty of one and not the other. And in some respects, an orchie would save me "maintenance time" on this, but I also get a deep satisfaction in clamping those cords and feeling how those clamps affect me. Just call it that masochistic streak I crave....

I've also used a vice to clamp one set of cords at a time, but it was awkward for me not to put the entire scrotum into the vice. Also, with spring clamps instead of a hand-tightened vice, I know the clamps can close to a regular, set pressure. By my own hand, I've always thought, I can give the handle just a little more turn...and then something dreadful could happen. (Then again, if it's too tight, the vice handle did tend to loosen on its own to some equilibrium.)

Well, you are much more regular and dedicated at this than was I. And I never did get into actually measuring ejaculate, but it is now very little and clear so I guess my results are similar to yours regardless of dedication or regularity. The pain from vice compression wasn't exactly a fulfillment of masochism; it was however somewhat erotic since I was hopeful that the compression and temporary lack of oxygen filled blood to the testes would eventually lead to castration like results. Now however both testes are insensitive to touch or pain.

Since I did experiment with another method of testosterone destruction after the vice clamping experiments I can't be sure which method actually reduced my testosterone production; perhaps both did. But no matter, one way or another it did decrease. But, still, after testing, not enough, which is why I eventually resigned myself to Siterone.

Since my T level has dropped significantly after Siterone (as indicated by several blood tests) I have had no interest or need to pursue the clamping, or as indicated on my blog, my craving for physical castration has declined significantly. For this I am grateful and at peace. Being free from the constant frustrations that testosterone created for me, regardless what ultimately lowered my testosterone is reward enough.

Nevertheless I still find amusement in creating fantasy methods by which one could, not by surgery and with the least risk possible, and without drugs, (which really isn't possible) do something to the little buggers to terminate their production of testosterone. If it were in my power anyone who wanted the magic pill that would permanently destroy testosterone production could have it just by asking.