as far as getting chemically castrated is concerned, i'd like to experience all the feminizing effects of androcur (including losing muscle tissues, getting subcutaneous body fat, fat redistribution, and..) except for breast enlargement. the only things im not looking for is having my breasts developed. is there any chance to get in a way to do that? can it be achieved at all? as for taking tamoxifen, i know it blocks estrogen, so the estrogen can not effect the breast tissues anymore ,so no more getting gyno, but it does stop the other feminizing effects of estrogen as well. is there any way to block the estrogen only in breast area and not the in the rest of body? is my approach regarding this issue wrong or what?

any comment would be appreciated.

thank you

I can't really help you with your question due to being new at this myself but sounds like you would be in constant menopause with low testosterone and low estrogen. If I let my estrogen get to low I have horrible cold flashes and night sweats. But that could just be me.

I have the odd hot flash, but only every second day or so, then only for a min or two, other than that I have had no side effects, except my nipples are still incredibly sore and puffed out (mmmm)

xxx

charlene

oh gosh that would be so hot!

it would be so sweet to have a vagina and no brests. also to loose all hair on the body

I want to be feminizised as jesaispas wants without real breasts but I do not think that only androcur will make you look feminine. Most of us have low estrogen in our body and we need to raise it with hormone pills,patches etc. So if there is some physical estro in our body, I guess it wont be enough to grow real breasts. Maybe just some tenderness and nipple enlargement but not as females have...

mantonis (imported) wrote: Thu Sep 24, 2009 10:29 pm I want to be feminizised as jesaispas wants without real breasts but I do not think that only androcur will make you look feminine. Most of us have low estrogen in our body and we need to raise it with hormone pills,patches etc. So if there is some physical estro in our body, I guess it wont be enough to grow real breasts. Maybe just some tenderness and nipple enlargement but not as females have...

I have read something regarding the balance of hormones in the guys who take androcur,suggesting that while on androcur, due to lack of testosterone body manages to turn testosterone into estrogen to balance out the hormones. im not really sure about that and if its right or not(correct me if im wrong).. but i know that taking androcur somehow will increase the estrogen in body.. thats why people get gyno while on androcur and take tamoxifen to get rid of it.

i have no problem with estrogen except for breast development.. if there was a way to have all the feminizing effects or androcur but gyno, it would be very nice!

jesaispas (imported) wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2009 7:01 am I have read something regarding the balance of hormones in the guys who take androcur,suggesting that while on androcur, due to lack of testosterone body manages to turn testosterone into estrogen to balance out the hormones. im not really sure about that and if its right or not(correct me if im wrong).. but i know that taking androcur somehow will increase the estrogen in body.. thats why people get gyno while on androcur and take tamoxifen to get rid of it.

i have no problem with estrogen except for breast development.. if there was a way to have all the feminizing effects or androcur but gyno, it would be very nice!

I've done a hormone test on a lab and my testo was low, almost at females normal range but my prolactine was really high even for a female. The doc said that's normal because my body needs something to replace the testo gap so it increases another hormone. In my situation that was not estro. I guess if I start estro my prolactin will get to normal levels...

I do not believe that androcur is possible to raise estro, if that was possible we would not need any extra estro supplement and harm our health (and wallets) with more pills.

As I understand it, most chemically castrated men will develop some breast growth, though it varies greatly from individual to individual. As a eunuch using a low dose amount of testosterone, I have had some breast development, but my doctor said she wouldn't consider it gynecomastia? (Not sure of the spelling). She has said that I have all the signs of being castrated: emotionally stable, some breast growth, lack of erections, small penis, loss of muscle mass, loss of sex drive, etc. She doesn't think I'll change much more.

mantonis (imported) wrote: Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:43 pm I've done a hormone test on a lab and my testo was low, almost at females normal range but my prolactine was really high even for a female. The doc said that's normal because my body needs something to replace the testo gap so it increases another hormone. In my situation that was not estro. I guess if I start estro my prolactin will get to normal levels...

I do not believe that androcur is possible to raise estro, if that was possible we would not need any extra estro supplement and harm our health (and wallets) with more pills.

yes, you're right, i did some research on this and found out that low testo level and high prolactin level are coming together..and they actually complement each other. and i found that all the signs(including decreased sperm count, decreased sex drive, impotence, sexual dysfunction, loss of sex drive, decrease in body hair, fatigue, depression and ..)

that we associate with low testo level is because of hyperprolactinemia (high prolactin level).

check out this link:Link (http://sharedjourney.com/malediagnosis/prolactin.html)

i dont know if increasing prolactin level instead of of blocking testo will have the same result of blocking testo.

I think the only way you could get feminized without breast growth would be to do something like (a) let the breast buds grow then (b) get them removed surgically. Since you'd remove the basis for future breast growth, you could then take all the E you would like (obvious sanity rules apply) and since there'd be no place for the estrogen to latch onto in the chests, no breasts while still getting all the other effects: redistribution of fat (though probably less in the chest), decreased body hair, etc.